Adios boys and girls

[Wild Will]

It's become obvious to me that I'm not "at home" on this forum. I've enjoyed the banter and have learned a thing or two, and virtually all whom I've met here have been well met!
I just don't have the time/will/desire to hang on a thread that has gone south, so to speak. Larry Grodsky's demise is a shame, and I do loathe deer, but that's relating solely to my life as a motorcyclist in a very out of the way environment, where several pals have been killed by deer strikes. That's it in a nutshell.
When somebody tells me they can "dust me off" and leave me in a cloud of fast moving air, I'm sure I'm in a no win situation, and this is for (our) fun, after all.
So, I'm done here. This from a man who's never met me!
Dangerous Dave, brother you are one of the good guys. I've known it since I was your CNC customer many years ago. To the other well-met gents here, I say that it has been a pleasure and I wish you all well.

[socalrob]

Will,

Hope you reconsider posting here some time in the future. My take on this board is that discussions can range pretty freely, we are all mature adults, & as such the discussions can get a bit more intense than say on the BMW Sport-touring site.

That said, I was not thrilled with the hijacking of a thread about Larry Grodsky's tragic accident, and would be troubled at the thought of his family/friends reading through it. Reading your posts, I think we agree on the fact that deer are something totally out of our control as riders (at least some of the time), and as such they scare the daylights out of us. IMO it would have been much better to start a new thread on the merrits of deer population control. I have to date not posted on Larry's thread for this reason.

Like Allan, my dad is a born debator. So much so that at family gatherings nobody will engage him in a debate as since he has to win, the debate is destined to never end & to spiral into an abyss of ill will. I swear my dad will debate the opposite side of a question just to start a discussion. I grew up with that, and I think therefore have adapted the ability to get along with it (or at least have a higher tolerance for it). Allan strikes me as a very good guy, but he does have this challange, and he sometimes crosses a line best not crossed. I don't think he read into your posts the pain/loss you have had for friends lost to deer. Allan may flame me for this, but I suspect, as with my dad, Allan likes to debate (argue?) and gets satisfaction out of it, basically for entertainment purposes. The conflict arises when the party he's dabating is not being entertained, and in cases like yours where real pain & loss has happened, rightfully so.

So like I said at the beginning, hope you come back around, as I very much enjoyed your posts & knowledge, & would have liked to have been part of a NoCal ride sometime. If not, ride safe & live well.

[Dallara]

Hey, Will...

Just so you know, you can get me banned here, as well, if you so desire. All you gotta do is be a paid member, post a message in the "Sandbox" you want me gone, and get a mojority of the members to agree with you. This place is 100% democratic (and I won't mention where THAT idea came from...) and your paid member voice speaks just as loudly as mine or anyone else's.

This is a forum you can shape however you like, as long as the majority agrees with ya'. So remember, if you want to leave that's your perogative, but nobody ran you off.

SocalRob...

You're right in so many ways, and you know only too well how I rise to the occasion when it is a particular subject I feel really strongly about... Like it being the deer's fault when a motorcycle piles into one. Hey, I have had friends killed by deer strikes, too - one in a friggin' car. I still don't blame the deer. They were just accidents, and life is full of those. Hell, Randy Renfrow had a spectacular career as a motorcycle road racing and died falling down a flight of stairs. I don't hate stairs because of it, though. I stand by conviction that a motorcyclists is far more endangered by drivers in cars than he is by deer or other animals, but yet I am sadden by the death of Larry Grodsky, just as I am about Wild Will's friends... Still, I don't blame the deer or want them extinct. I just try not to right at night or at dusk, and if I have to do so I slow way down and be extra vigilant.

But just so a point's not missed here... Apparently Will has to be "right" to a large degree, or at least agreed with unilaterally, otherwise he just packs his toys and goes home.

He certainly doesn't like a debate...

Cheers!

Allan (Dallara - NACD)

p.s. - Rob, it'll be great to see you in the Texas Hill Country next week. Any idea when your flight arives?

[Acacia]

One of the central premises upon which the Cafe was started was that there would be no right or wrong perspective to a subject. It is to be a Cafe and whatever blend of Java was mixed and sipped, by and with each other, that 'Java' would have a life of its own.

Passionate feelings are one of the mixes in that Java. Some like theirs thick and rich, other creamy. We are Roadsters, Miscreants, Tsosti's, Scallywags, Peckerheads and the like who ride, enjoy riding and enjoy others who do - all with a dash of tolerance and repsect we hold for others so that we can enjoy the freedoms we want for ourselves. That goes both ways in a forum such as this

There are different freedoms for different people. What I believe we in this forum will defend, and respect, is the other persons right to hold their own opinions and choices in the pendulum of life.

Sorry to hear you are upset, Will. There is room for you here, as for Alan and others of our ilk.

We all learn from whatever the discussion might be. We have all learned here too.

[DJ Down Under]

Wild Will....just when I thought I'd read every post on this forum since it's beginning I realize now that because I have no idea who Larry is I've not followed this topic since Arkine's first post...and now what a shame it's now lead to this..and I've missed all the drama...geees...what's going on...I'd better read it now to find out...I have not read it yet but I hope someones joke or odd since of humor has not upset you...and if it has ..please just let it slide...it's very easy for a disagreement to come across as a personal attack when there's no body language that you get with talking face to face...but if you have to go because you're that upset..bye from me..I've enjoyed your posts..and ride safe.

DJ

[Tipstall]

Come on guys, lets just have a big group hug. Does that sound gay?.

Seriously, lets just relax and get along. Disagreement is good, ever sit in a meeting when the boss comes up with a very bad idea and no one will tell him and then you are stuck with it for the next 2 years? Everyone doesn't have to agree with everyone 100%. That's not healthy. Can't we cut each other a little slack?

Ken

[Deans BMW]

Wild Will, I can not begin to express how much I have enjoyed reading your posts, I have often thought that just taking your posts and throwing in pics of your area would be the making a fine M/C centric book.

WW's thoughts on life, liberty and the persuit of M/C Happieness

[Gord]

Wild Will - I don't think there is anybody here will question your right or question your motives for leaving. At the other site that a bunch of us left from, you were the devil incarnate if you did not toe the line and dared to leave over principle. Long after people left you would find shots being posted. You won't find that here. You have contributed interesting reads, and you have stimulated some great exchanges. That is what the forum is all about. Hopefully you will find that you miss the diversity of opinion and thought here and come back. You are always welcome.

[BobFV1]

Wild Will - I would hate to see you go, brother! Do what you feel is right, but as others have said, you are always welcome here at the cafe, and I hope we can continue to enjoy your contributions.

I think we all need to be able to just agree to disagee on certain issues - that's the best way to keep up the community spirit which we all are seeking:


While The Motorcyclist Café supports free speech, the Members expect and appreciate mutual respect at all times from all visitors to The Café.

Can't we all just get along...

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[DarthRider]

Damn Will, I was really looking forward to you being a regular here. You add a lot of flavor to any stew and I know members were enjoying your posts and unique method of telling us about life in the Redwoods. We will have Moto-Lit up and running one of these days and your writings about rides to the emerald swimming holes along long forgotten ghost town roads, and tales of La Tigressa with pendulous boobs and braided armpit hair, would have made such great reading!

Respect and just plain good manners are not 100% here but generally better than other forums I have frequented. But it's a shame so many "discussions" seem to require a "winner and loser". And are so often glossed over by using "passion" to excuse rudeness. But I think you figured that out pretty quickly.

A few others left for similar reasons, almost before we were even up & running, so you are not alone...hopefully we will grow out of that.

If you "stay gone" it is our loss...and yours, and I sure hope you reconsider.
In any event, you & I will remain friends and when the time is right will share a fast ride and other pleasantries in each others back yards.

Think it over friend...we could use you.

Dave

[Ed K]

Geez... I missed a lot of this too...

It'd be a shame to see you go Will...you've added so much, so quickly...

Hope you'll reconsider...but either way, ride safe...and perhaps I'll have the good fortune to meet you "up North" (for me, at least) some time soon.

[Bones]

Wild Will,
Do me a favor. STAY.

I was hoping to read your posts in the not yet formed, but soon to come "Moto literature" section, as I have enjoyed your writing, both content and style. The forum is based on informed and experienced insight into all things motorcycling related.

Consider looking at the Grodsky thread, which admittedly went tangential to the start of the thread, as just one of those conversations that one happens upon in a Cafe' or bar that gets off course. Doesn't mean the whole Cafe' is bad or serves stale coffee the next day.

Stick around while another pot of java is brewing, OK?

Jeff

[Deans BMW]

Bro Dave said

Respect and just plain good manners are not 100% here but generally better than other forums I have frequented. But it's a shame so many "discussions" seem to require a "winner and loser". And are so often glossed over by using "passion" to excuse rudeness. But I think you figured that out pretty quickly.

A few others left for similar reasons, almost before we were even up & running, so you are not alone...hopefully we will grow out of that.

The art of the wordsmith, very well put, thanks.

[Capt. Blackadder]

I'd hate to see you go Will, I've enjoyed your posts.

Let's all just have a pint and chill. While we have a breath in our lungs and a motorcycle to ride, life is good. Let's enjoy. :beer:

[geechie]

WW...

I too, would consider it a favor if you would decide to stick with us here. You are, to my mind, exactly the kind of person we need. You're intelligent and experienced and entertaining and informative.

Sometimes there are things in life that you just have to ignore. Doesn't make you — doesn't make me — any less the man.

George

[mnnden]

Wild Will, I just wanted you to know I have enjoyed your posts and was really looking forward to more, I have a lot to learn and guys like you have a lot they can teach. I hear ya when talking "deer" I live in MN and the place is crawling with them. The DNR here is doing their part, in requards to hunting, they have extended seasons, opened early season, they are conducting shooting doe only seasons, and I think it is helping, I do my part, by hunting every season i can, ( and have been pretty successful) We can donate the venison to the homeless shelters, The deer population in the area I live has been so great that I have all but given up any night riding. Again I hope you stick around. Den
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