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Wild Will
04-14-2009, 12:53 PM
From "On The Level" magazine: I promised this to Simon!


With the new G650GS, BMW is raising the standard for dual sport bikes in the big bore single class with standard ABS brakes, heated grips, a clock, and a multitude of options, including opening this exciting sport to riders of shorter stature. The new G650GS has an all new dry sump engine with a distinct black powder coat finish and more power than the first generation. This is not merely an entry level machine; it’s a true GS with all the available BMW features that we demand, but in a shorter, lighter package. It’s the world’s first single cylinder bike fitted with BMS-C engine control and a three-way catalytic converter. As I learned during the test ride, it has sufficient reserves of handling and power to keep a skilled rider entertained during aggressive backroad forays. It’s also a great platform for beginners, who will benefit from its light weight, seat height, predictable power, intuitive handling and controls, and ABS. The new bike has a G classification, being the designation for the 650 single. The F650GS is really a more ‘softly tuned’ vertical twin 800cc machine, sharing a basic engine with the more highly tuned F800GS twin. G series = single cylinder; F series = twin cylinders.

The new bike feels much more powerful. During the test, I saw some impressive elevated speeds, and the bike was perfectly composed. It has an under-seat 4 gallon fuel tank. The mileage is rated at 59.6 MPG giving the G650GS a 220 mile range. The new engine, built in China by BMW engineers, is almost an exact copy of the former Rotax/Aprilia mill. The rest of the bike is made in Berlin. This groundbreaking arrangement insures a great price for a highly appointed bike with features never before available as standard in this class. The double overhead cam, single cylinder, liquid-cooled engine is rated at 53 HP, with 44 ft. lbs. of torque. The power is impressive and pleasant. The dual stainless steel under-seat exhaust is stylish and has a nice note. The bike will easily keep up with (or pass) anything you’re likely to encounter on a freeway. This is a handsome machine. I’ll take mine in black, please, but you may prefer red.

The new machine has the lowest seat height available in the dual sport market, an option needed by many and a problem until now. For example, the popular Honda XR650L has a 37” seat height, and the KLR650 is 35”; the GS sits at 30.75” standard or 29.5” lowered. With the taller accessory seat option, the height is 32.3”, plenty of room for a six footer. It’s an interesting notion to have to buy an accessory seat because the bike is too short, but having both feet firmly planted while stopped is very reassuring. The shorter dry sump engine insures adequate ground clearance in most off road situations. And neither the Honda nor the Kawasaki are available with ABS!

The G bike has a 5 speed constant mesh gearbox with a wet clutch, and the lever is adjustable in three positions. Final drive is by O ring chain with shock dampening in the rear wheel via rubber cushions. The spoked, tube-type wheels are 19” front and 17” rear and the machine comes with excellent tires. The front wheel lofts easily to clear that log across the trail, and the clutch is strong enough to handle it. While sport riding it up and down Mount Palomar, the gutsy single and silky gearbox with easy, positive changes made the impression as a capable, willing mount.
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The Showa 41mm male slider (upside down) fork has 6.7” travel and has a strong integral fork brace to control flex. The frame and swing arm are rectangular steel, ensuring maximum stiffness and stability in all conditions. The rear shock has 6.5” of travel and is adjustable for pre load and rebound damping, easily accessed for adjustment. During spirited sport riding, nothing bottomed out for this 175 lb. rider and the suspension felt compliant yet taut. The bike must be ordered in either standard or lower height - that’s how they’re built at the factory, with appropriate fork, shock, and seat components. Total weight is 423 lbs. with all fluids.

The single disc front brake is 300mm with a two piston caliper, and the rear is 265mm with a single piston. The brakes are typically BMW - very good. The ABS has been updated with the current F and G bike series, is switchable for dirt riding, and is 3 lbs. lighter. It’s now analog instead of digital, allowing a precise level of valve control instead of the previous “on/off” operation. A partial list of available options include center stand, hard and soft luggage and top cases, tank bag, windshield, hand guards, solo seat with storage below, alarm, ride computer, luggage rack, tire repair kit and more, including a beautiful Dakar Tool Kit that comes in a belt pack that’s a must-have! The BMW 3 year/36K warranty is standard and is an industry leader. MSRP is $7,670 plus the usual fees.

What’s the bike like? Comfortable from the start, the bike rumbles to life with a quick stab at the magic button, and rolls easily as the throttle and clutch operation are light and smooth. The fuel injection feels seamless. Wending our way in two groups of twelve to the test area east of San Diego, the bike feels very easy to control in traffic, transitions well in turns, and would make a great city bike. The balance is just about perfect standing on the foot pegs, and the bars fall easily within reach as the knees grip the comfortable tank indents. The riding position is upright and comfortable, with high, wide bars. I rode aggressively all day with one finger on the brake lever, stopping comfortably. When I stopped in a hurry, adding the rear brake provided world class braking.

Our BMW ride leaders were riding the F series twin cylinder machinery, which made us ride harder to keep up, but on these back roads this was not an issue. The bike has plenty of usable, smooth power right up to the 8K rev limiter. We were able to ride with the bigger bikes easily, and some mainstream magazine fast guys actually passed the leaders and took off for who knows where. Not wishing to isolate them to singular condemnation at dinner, several of us followed suit and a spirited sport ride unfolded. This was on the best sport riding roads in Southern California, according to certain L.A.- based fast guy editors. The bike flicks into corners, as we did ascending Mt. Palomar. When downshifting, the transmission snicks into lower gears like a sport bike. Blip, shift, brake – all in one movement, corner after corner. Proving again that a sport bike has no advantage over a powerful dual sport on a tight road, we passed both Ducati and Suzuki liter class bikes while climbing that no- guardrail mountain road.

After a couple hundred miles on this machine, it feels like the perfect choice for dual sport riders of all skill levels who demand longevity, high quality, unsurpassed warranty, and dealer support no matter where they may ride. It’s a light, easy handling machine capable of all conditions except narrow single track, but that too would be possible with knobby tires, removal of the vibration-damping rubber inserts on the footpegs, and maybe a few other minor changes. It’s also a wonderful and safe entry level machine, and is suitable for an experienced rider who wants a lithe, lightweight ride with all the luxurious BMW components available. As I said, other dual sports may be more more suitable for off road use right out of the box, but all have serious seat heights. That means a six footer like me can only have one foot on the ground when stopped when on an XR650L. The GS is heavier, more complex, more comfortable, far better-equipped, better on the road, has many available options, better brakes, more power, bigger fuel tank, has 3X the warranty period, and can handle US Forest Service roads without any mods. The Honda requires an inseam like an NBA player. Not so the BMW. But, in a reversal of fortune, now taller riders are challenged by the somewhat ill-shaped stock saddle and cramped knees. I found myself hitting the tank as the seat sloped toward it. I’d need the 32.3” accessory taller seat. During the test, one of the riders deployed the sidestand on a soft dirt shoulder, and the bike started to sink. He saved it easily and commented that he’d have dropped it surely if it’d been a 1200GS. This opens the GS experience to a legion of the heretofore too-low, by way of the unprecedented lower seat height on a genuine dual sport! Bravo, BMW.

I've read some of the mainstream tests of the G650GS. I do think that riding and writing incessantly about motorcycles can make one jaded to a degree. Riding less than the finest machinery available on the road may allow some lesser, yet important issues to be lost in translation. This is a fine machine. Some of my friends who have street-licensed Honda XR 650R's would be impressed, and that's says a lot. I began this test ride expecting the bike to feel weak in lots of places, like the old F650 felt to me. But I almost immediately knew the bike was a player with its slick transmission and clutch, beautiful fuel delivery, decent fork and shock, and way above average brakes (and can you believe they included ABS in a street legal dual sport). No, I was enthralled by the powerful single - well appointed, handsome, and short enough for adventurers of either gender. Just know that a taller rider, like me at six feet, will want a higher seat.

The USA is lucky to have almost exclusive availability of this well-made, handsome new machine. I’ll wager the world demands it as well, but for once it’s nice to have a fine mount that the Euros can’t get! Just a pinch of moto 'schadenfreude'. See it and ride it soon at your local BMW dealer. You won’t be disappointed, and it won’t break the bank!

Wild Will
04-14-2009, 12:58 PM
Confusing nomenclature? F650GS (800cc) on left and G650GS (650cc) on right. I really like the F bike, because of its superior power.



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JCsman
04-14-2009, 02:50 PM
Good write up Will.

I am one of the descendants of dwarves, at least in leg-length. So a dual sport with short seat appeals to me. And I've never been a dirt rider so limited off-road capability is OK too. I'd like to try a bit of mild off-road riding, but have found I'm breakable and not as interested in trying new feats of daring-do as a few years ago.

So the G650 makes sense there.

But it also makes sense as a commuter bike for someone like me just a dozen miles from the office. Light, manuverable, economical (mpg wise at least). Seems ideal as a hop-on-and-go bike.

And it sure would NOT overlap my current bike capabilities :) too much.

Plus, Ms. Judy might well take up riding her own bike again if we had this parked at the house.

So, when I stumble over that sack of cash, I might well check this one out.

FWIW, the name change is a really weird decision, IMO. Doesn't BMW know there are a whole buncha letters they haven't used yet? Guess not, since they recycled the F to a whole new meaning and substituted the G..... oh my head....

jeffjbmw
04-14-2009, 05:51 PM
Appears to me just a reissue of the original F650GS. I had one in 2001, and except for the surging issue that was resolved with a larger injector, it was a GREAT bike.

My wife cut her teeth on it and only complained she had to shift a lot because of the more notchy power band.

Motor by Rotax....body by BMW.........

Also, it had the simple elegant ABS brakes that worked real well and were a $500 option.

Blackdog
04-14-2009, 06:44 PM
Sounds like a nice bike but the fact that the motor is made in China kind of freaks me out.

Wild Will
04-14-2009, 07:16 PM
Sounds like a nice bike but the fact that the motor is made in China kind of freaks me out.

It shouldn't. The Chinese engineers are worthy of being hired by the German engineers at BMW. They keep the prices lower than if the mill was German-built.

And the bike is not a re-hash of the old one. The old was was crap. Worst bike I've ever ridden. And the mill was German. The new one steers far better, has more power, standard ABS and rails on curves. Plus with knobs it'll work well in the dirt. And, it has a 3 year warranty.

AND, get this, Dangerous Dave is riding his BMW to Arby's. Let's all take a moment and say a prayer that his final drive lasts until he's safely back in his canyon. Dean called and said he, Dave and Moose were in Loosiana, at Dean's favorite chili shack, where everything on the menu is $1.99.

socalrob
04-14-2009, 08:32 PM
Were my kid to take up street riding this looks like the bike I would suggest.

Griffon
04-14-2009, 09:18 PM
Good stuff. Another one to consider for a bike for Mrs. Griffon when we can afford to get her a bike.

It's a shame I have little good to say about the local beemer dealer.

fganger
04-14-2009, 09:43 PM
"I am one of the descendants of dwarves." HEY THERE - I RESEMBLE THAT, AND I DON'T LIKE IT ONE BIT.

Stinkin' Frank

Oh! Excuse me I didn't see the part which said you were descendant from dwarves - never mind. :icon_redface:

Sir Limpsalot
04-15-2009, 01:56 AM
No, I was enthralled by the powerful single - well appointed, handsome, and short enough for adventurers of either gender.

Don't tell us what you got up to in the evening, just keep it to the subject in question..

Great report Will. Thanks for remembering. As far as I'm aware there are no plans to bring the new single to Europe (or GB at least). Seems a shame, I'm sure a market exists for it.
The quality of engineering and it's "China" connection wouldn't worry me for a second. That's just how it is these days. Let's face it, (some) Triumphs come from Taiwan now and it doesn't seem to have hurt them one bit.

Cheers,
Si.

Dirty Doug
04-15-2009, 05:57 AM
Dean called and said he, Dave and Moose were in Loosiana, at Dean's favorite chili shack, where everything on the menu is $1.99.


Be afraid, be very afraid!!!! Dean at a chili place. Makes my heart ache not to mention the nose. Hope all is exited before Arby's place. After all I'm sharing a place with him. Heaven help us all.............Worse than that Dangerous Dave and chili. I shudder to think.......

Dirty Doug

jpenney
04-15-2009, 11:11 AM
I keep going back and forth on keeping the Sportster. I was entertaining this bike as a possible replacement again and was about to PM you about it. Will, you have impeccable timing.

When I looked at the G650GS last year at Engle Motors, I was really comfortable with the seating position and the quality feel of thew bike. The controls and finish were well done. I'm also a dwarfish in stature (5'5") with a pretty short inseam (28" in a tailored suit) and the standard height felt fine. I've become somewhat accustomed to tip toes or slight leans, this was more than comfortable. I had sized up a Versys about 30 minutes before and that bike pushes my limit of comfort when at a stop.

As there are very few used G650GSs, what made the previous incarnation of F650GS so bad?

jeffjbmw
04-15-2009, 07:47 PM
And the bike is not a re-hash of the old one. The old was was crap. Worst bike I've ever ridden. And the mill was German.

From what I have read it is the same with minor tweaks (paraphrasing Motorcyclist). Sure looks identical to my 2001 GS. And the engine was Austrian.

Are you referring to the "funduro"?

Wild Will
04-16-2009, 01:10 AM
The geometry is different. The bike steers quicker. You can stand on the pegs and "feel" that the bike would thread well through trails, if properly tire-d.

The new engine is dry sump; the old was wet. The new bike rails in the curves.
The old one left much to be desired, to me, yet thousands loved them. I did not. If I was shorter of stature, I'd definitely have one of these new ones. The tranny is Ducati smooth (that's a compliment) and the power is right on.

I've ridden several "old" F650 singles, and none of them felt "right" to me. Stand on the pegs and the balance felt all wrong. Never rode a Funduro. Who names these things? The ghost of Hodaka?

And another thing, as I mentioned in a sidebar to the article; the big mag testers are mostly jaded by riding the best of the best, for free, from what I can tell. I sat and drank with them and listened to their tales of woe; "should I take the R1 or the 1098? What? I have to go and test ride the BMW single? You kidding me? Why me?" The new motor has more poop than the old one, and makes less racket. It's a redesigned and better mill. Austrian vs. Chinese is no longer a factor, except in the minds of those who've not been paying attention to the amazing inroads made by China in the past few years.

BMW engineers chose the Chinese factory because they do as good a job as the Germanic factories or Japanese factories do now. The machinery and dies and such are all top notch. Word is that the Kymco scooters are better than the Vespas, and much cheaper. Dealers are having no problems with the Chinese scooters. The Kymco factory was a former Honda facility, and is top notch too. What? Don't care about scooters? Laugh at hybrids too? I too long for the old days, but they are gone like snow on the water; like a rowboat full of machine gun toting Somalis when a destroyer appears on the horizon.

JCsman
04-16-2009, 05:00 AM
1) And another thing, as I mentioned in a sidebar to the article; the big mag testers are mostly jaded by riding the best of the best,

2) Austrian vs. Chinese is no longer a factor,

1) Amen. And, to boot, have a heavy bias towards track times versus real road worthiness. So the newest Laser-Blaser 1499 gets a ton of ink. Bikes that a LOT of us would love, but won't be seen at many track days.... not so much.

I still read 'em. But the big guys aren't much help to a guy like me who is looking for an all-'rounder bike. Just as a small example, many test rides give no impressions of passenger comfort except if the test bike is a full boat touring bike. There are exceptions to that rule on magazines, fortunately.

2) I agree with one caveat. The stuff coming out of China is highly variable from one manufacturer to another. The best are top notch. Some are hold overs from earlier times where cheap and plentiful is still the rule of the day. Even that is changing as the junk peddlers die off. I could not imagine BMW, no matter what one might question about certain corporate decisions, would not insist on a top flight manufacturer with strict quality control.

Deans BMW
04-18-2009, 01:47 PM
While I spent the day waiting in vain for Mz Pam to arrive at the Atlanta airport, I was able to play with the new Beemers that I have not seen yet. I was all set to replace my trusty KLR650 with the new G650 BMW that Will wrote the article about.

That is until I sat on and played with the new F650GS 800cc twin. In a nutshell, what a bike, many orders of magnitude lighter feeling than the G650 single, cast wheels (tubeless tires) and a lot more power. 71 vs 53. I'll be picking one up at San Jose in the next few months.

SV Andy
04-19-2009, 11:56 AM
I've been looking foreward to reading this for sometime excelent writting thanks WW, who needs main stream mags anyway. Cheers Andy. :eusa_clap:

socalrob
04-20-2009, 01:18 AM
While I spent the day waiting in vain for Mz Pam to arrive at the Atlanta airport, I was able to play with the new Beemers that I have not seen yet. I was all set to replace my trusty KLR650 with the new G650 BMW that Will wrote the article about.

That is until I sat on and played with the new F650GS 800cc twin. In a nutshell, what a bike, many orders of magnitude lighter feeling than the G650 single, cast wheels (tubeless tires) and a lot more power. 71 vs 53. I'll be picking one up at San Jose in the next few months.

If you go for the F650GS twin why that bike in a detuned state (although, like you mention, with tubeless tires) instead of the F800GS?

BMW is narrowing the niches.

I sat on a G650GS the other day and it did seem to be way ahead of the KLR / HondaXR competition in feel and features. ABS, heated grips, nice clocks, seems like a civilized bike. Of course, about $3K more than a KLR. I do wish that BMW would have used dirt bike plastic with an eye for real off road use and crash/drop worthiness.

Wild Will
04-20-2009, 05:37 PM
There's only about two tenths of a second difference between the F650 and the F800 (both are 800's; there's that pesky Hodaka ghost again) twins. The 800 makes more power up closer to redline. The "650" is more user friendly. It has cast wheels and therefore no 'pain in the pinfeathers' tubes to deal with.
It's also lighter and cheaper.

The G650 is made for shorter riders who have until now been excluded from the haunts of the KLR, DR and XR crowd. The ride leader was on an F650 twin, and the SoCal fast guys and the old gray coot from Norcal were right there with the twin, running the Chinese single right at redline. Nice bike.

DarthRider
04-24-2009, 11:48 AM
Nice write up Will, thanks.
The "Chinese thing" is analogous to an old (true) story about Lucas electrics. They had a horrible reliability reputation that was (partially) well earned.
Lucas made 50 cent light switches and $5.00 light switches. BSA bought the 50 cent ones, Rolls Royce bought the $5.00 ones...guess which ones "earned" the crappy rep.

As we learned a few years ago in the motorcycle aftermarket biz, there is terrible, unreliable, "no 2-alike" junk coming out of China, and some superb things that rival the world. It's all in the specs you send them and choice of suppliers/manufacturers. But their unique form of Communism/Capitalism is producing some "interesting" conflicts in priorities...a la baby formula, dog food & other things "boosted & stretched" with chemicals.
For a number of years, China has been the world's largest builder of motorcycles & scooters, and the world's largest exporter.
If I was hot to trot for a Chinese engine BMW, I'd wait for the 2nd production year. Much like anything else. And I'm sure BMW would never let us Schtupid Amerikaners do their R&D for them on the road...would they? Have they? YRMV...

The 650/800 GS (or whatever the hell they call it) sounds like a cool little bike...too bad Kawasaki, Suzuki & Honda won't build similar versions. Or sell them to us when they do. The new KLRs have also gone to "sport bike plastics"...you should see one after even the most minor off-road smack-downs! Take plenty of duct tape.

Simon...just as a matter of curiosity, which Triumphs are now made in China? The entire bike?

Wild Will
04-24-2009, 01:15 PM
The English drink warm beer because they have Lucas refrigerators.

Deans BMW
04-24-2009, 05:57 PM
The English drink warm beer because they have Lucas refrigerators.

:eusa_clap: :rofl::hahaha::023::thumbs_up:

jpenney
07-04-2009, 10:13 PM
I finally got around to test riding this bike and I was impressed. I did not want to hand the keys back.

Most of my riding is rush hour commuting (20 miles of crowded interstate), unkempt city roads, and 55 mph back highways. The sportster's lack of reasonable suspension finally put me over the edge (my aching back) and I tried this little gs.

It is down on power compared to the sportster. The 1200 twin is nice about always being on power. The thumper needed to be wrung out a little more. It handled th freeway with grace. Top gear roll-on from 70 handily gained speed and laid a nice trail of traffic behind me. While not exciting, it was well north of adequate.

The suspension is just what I am looking for. Expansion joints, train tracks, ripples of tar ... All absorbed without a whimper. I had to remind
myself that I didn't have to lift off the seat for every little road irregularity. Tight maneuvers were effortless. Pulling tight u-turns or quick weaves around pot holes were a stark contrast to the sportster. The lean angle is also dramatically different. No peg scraping on the test ride. I scrap the sporty pulling out of my driveway.

I have two minor dislikes. First, the seat slopes forward. While underway I would slide back and inch or so and be comfortable. At stops, manhood to body work was a bit uncomfortable. I could probably be well served by the low option but would hate to give up any suspension travel and/or seat to peg distance.

The last dislike, the anemic exhaust note. I can appreciate the catalytic convertor and the serene calm of the quiet exhalation ... I really like to hear a motor running. Not drag pipe loud, just enthusiastically noisy.

To recap, I had also looked at the Kawasaki versys and the buell xb9sx. The buell was exciting, the kaw was utilitarian, and the gs cuts them in the middle. It just felt exhilirating while being muchore suites to my riding than the sportster. I'm also excites about he heated grips.

If everything works out right I will be picking up a black one on Tuesday.

Will, thanks for the review. It really helped guide my decision here.