K1300S in 2009???

[Ed K]

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A German friend did this translation

Subject: Translation BMW


Hi Howard

Don’t stress me,



Picture inset : Translation: The King Erl from Salzburgring: Is this a BMW K 1300 S ?



Explanation: Erl King derives from the German mythology ( like king Arthur )

Salzburgring on the border between Germany and Austria is a racing circuit



DOUBLE ONE ARM



King Erl End of May a suspicious matt black motor bike has been seen on the Sazburgring.

An eye witness reported, I have recognised a BMW K 1200 motor



The motor bike was fitted with a Cardan Shaft and at the front a kind of One Arm Duolever ( what the hell is that? )

On top behind the Steering Head there were Air Suck Inn Openings

Body and Seats looked pretty professional, I suppose the development of the Prototype is already in the end phase.

Rumours in the Pitts will have it, that this may be a Racing Machine particularly designed for Long Distance Travel specially

developed for the 2009 season.

But something seemed fishy to me, the rider was not particularly fast.

After our inquirer, BMW in Munich stated: “It is not a new Developed Prototype” for a new Series of Standard Motor Bikes.

But on the other hand, After Four Production Years an update of the old K 1200 S is imminent, maybe in the form of a K 1300 S

BMW designer have long been known for audacious and daring wheel suspensions

http://www.k1200.cc/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=426&sid=cdf41352dbaebcba6bc5d42fc2263f89

Would be fun to have a few more ponies... amongst the further evolution of the bike... can't wait!

[Deans BMW]

:pot: :linzi: :eusa_clap: :) :linzi:

[Deans BMW]

Snipped from an European site.

http://www.k1200.cc/index.php?sid=7d0332876b896be5c143055a7de0ce18


Breaking News

I have some details released to me this afternoon chaps:

The K1300 is due for launch Feb 2009 with the following specs...

Output: 180 BHP

LED Front Lights

Duolever will remain

Jap switchgear and I quote ''with a bmw take on them''

Quick shifter will be an option

Styling will be more aggressive than the outgoing model.

[Optimus Prime]

I love BMW switchgear... am I the only one?

[DarthRider]

I love BMW switchgear... am I the only one?

Yes.

[Deans BMW]

Jason, I am with you on the BMW switch gear.

[DarthRider]

Well, here's the way I see it.

I have 3 bikes, a BMW, a Brit & a Jap.

Two of the three control the blinkers with a single switch, left or right push for blink, a push for off...all with the left thumb.
One has 3 switches to do the same functions. It's easy to hit the wrong one on the right...right blinker or off.

Two of the three have an ergo-perfect "trigger switch" to flash the high beam with the left index finger. One has a 3-position rocker switch that is difficult to "hit" quickly and without removing your eyes from the road.

For one thing, it's like when I had my Norton which was right-shift and left-brake. And all my other bikes were opposite. Change bikes and it was easy to hit the wrong one, or have to "stop & think about it". I crashed one motorcycle and tore the tranny out of another in emergency situations when there wasn't time to stop & think, or even look.
One of my three bikes now causes similar "which controls are on *this* bike?" thoughts when there is no time to think, barely time to act.
I guess this could be the "fault" of the two rather than the one, but the whole rest of the world operates like the two. Just like the whole rest of the world now shifts on the right...and that's for a very good reason: Standardization of control placement & function is easier & safer.

On my two bikes, I can hi-beam flash Granny in a millisecond before she turns left in front of me. I'm much less likely to have that time on the one.

Once on my BMW the guy in the left lane (talking on a cellphone) drifted over into my (center) lane and nearly squeezed me into the stopped traffic in the right lane. I was going to give him a good horn-honk as I was taking evasive action. No time to look at switch gear. So first I flashed my high beams, then turned my left blinker on...trying to hit the horn button. Never did get a honk, but I confused the hell out of the car behind me. And almost got hit by the idiot on the left.

The study of ergonomics says you should not have to stop, think & fumble to find the controls...they should be intuitive and right at hand. Standardization is also desirable...like all car turn signal stalks are on the left.

A great many experienced riders find the BMW switch controls ergonomically illogical and they certainly are not standardized with other motorcycles. The defenders usually just say, "I like them", or "you just have to get used to them".

Sort of like riding an old Norton.

[BobFV1]

Jap switchgear and I quote ''with a bmw take on them''

Cool - Counterintuitive Jap switchgear . . . :pot:

[Gord]

Dave - I share your thoughts about the BMW switch ergonomics. On more than one occasion, I have given idiots on the road a long healthy dose of left turn indicator when they have tried to infringe on my piece of the motorway! Strangely, I found myself struggling with the Harley switches. I kept wanting to push a switch on the right handle bar to signal my right turn!

[DarthRider]

Cool - Counterintuitive Jap switchgear . . . :pot:


:webers:

[JCsman]

Even the little things count. I once was riding a borrowed Silver Wing (the transverse V-twin, not the scooter) on the local interstate. She began sputtering. I instinctively reached down to where my Kawasaki petcock was located.... Whiskey.Tango.Foxtrot....no petcock. Took me a couple of seconds - seemed a LOT longer - to find the thing and get fresh fuel flowing.

But back to the thread....180 hp. Looks like the "Powerful, but it's not a Hyabusa (or ZX-14)" reports have annoyed the Master Builder. Any chance at a new RS version? It may not have sold well, but I always thought that one made a lot of sense.

[jamming]

I love BMW switchgear... am I the only one?

No, and Dave, I HATE the switchgear on the Tiger. It feels chintzy. The BMW gear feels solid. Maybe I rode BMW's for too long.

I am STILL not used to using just the left thumb for the turn signals, and here's a funny thing. The reach to the horn is the exact reach as it was to the left turn on my ST...yea.....sometimes I revert to BMW thinking and give a blast of 132 DB Stebel to signal a left turn. Wakes everbody up :linzi:
oh well :icon_redface:

[Optimus Prime]

I like the signal on each side. Push right signal right, etc. I also think the feel is top notch. Without taking my eyes off the road I can do a whole range of things (signal, horn, windshield, lights, cruise) and I know exactly what's going on by feel alone. the UJM switchgear doesn't have this feel, IMHO.

It probably does have something to do about familiarity like Dave mentioned, but BMW's have been the only bikes that I don't have to think about what my hands are doing while riding.

[socalrob]

Whats really sad is when I try to use BMW switchgear while riding my Ducati. Thank dog the ducati starter button is computer controlled not to activate while the bike is running. I've hit it more than once looking for a right hand blinker.

I agree that the BMW switch gear feels alot more robust than the Japanese/Ducati switches, but I do also get used to the non BMW signal cancel method. I do not like how the GSA will cancel the turn signals even if I hit the signal a second time. To get a longer turn signal (like for a freeway lane change) than the auto cancel allows for you either have to wait until it has cancelled or manually cancel and then start it again. How hard would it have been to program the time extension from the last time you touched it???

[Sir Limpsalot]

Sure, why not? For those who want one anyway.

"A few more horses would be nice". If you say so.

BMW switchgear? I love it. When my hands are frozen (heated grips are bugger all use when your gloves are full of icey rain water) I can make a vague stab at the huge switches and connect every time. Maybe they do their test riding somewhere other than Texas? (Sorry Dave!).

Cheers!
Si.

[kocook]

If they go to a single switch, wonder what BMW is going to do with the extra two guys on the assembly line? Nevermind, they will become supervisors. And the design engineer's brother-in-law who makes the switches will be upset, for sure.

As for operating the current switches, they make a lot more sense after a couple of biers. :D

[BobFV1]

If they go to a single switch, wonder what BMW is going to do with the extra two guys on the assembly line? Nevermind, they will become supervisors.

Either that or they will retain them and increase the "spa time" of the entire work force by 2 days.

[Promethean]

What the hell is a switchgear?

I love BMW switchgear... am I the only one?

[BobFV1]

Abhijeet - it's that stuff in your right and left hands with all the switches, buttons, levers, etc:

http://www.bmwk1200s.com/Images/F800S/F800S-6.jpg

[Gord]

Well I am thankful that BMW in its infinite wisdom put self-cancelling signals on the K12S. No more of Gord the Dopey Shit riding a few miles with the turn indicator going like he was some old fart wearing white loafers, white belts, and a hat.

[DarthRider]

As for operating the current switches, they make a lot more sense after a couple of biers. :D


+1 on that!

And a BIG +1 on the *quality* of the switches...in fairness I should have mentioned that when I was going off on the ergo design. That's one of the things I admire most about Beemers, the quality of the components.

Now, if someone would just build the great ergo design of the Euro/Jap switches with BMW switch quality...we'd have something!
Something in a chain-drive for me, please...:linzi:

[Optimus Prime]

+1 on that!

And a BIG +1 on the *quality* of the switches...in fairness I should have mentioned that when I was going off on the ergo design. That's one of the things I admire most about Beemers, the quality of the components.

Now, if someone would just build the great ergo design of the Euro/Jap switches with BMW switch quality...we'd have something!
Something in a chain-drive for me, please...:linzi:

The only Jap ergo feature I'd want is the trigger pass, other than that I greatly prefer the BMW setup.

[DarthRider]

The Euros had the trigger switch long before the Japs, as far as I know.
My '92 Ducati 900 Super Sport had it and Ducati had been using it for a while then, I *believe* back to the 70's. I don't know who originated it.

A robotics dude that prefers 3 switches doing the job of 1...?! :028:

[Optimus Prime]

The Euros had the trigger switch long before the Japs, as far as I know.
My '92 Ducati 900 Super Sport had it and Ducati had been using it for a while then, I *believe* back to the 70's. I don't know who originated it.

A robotics dude that prefers 3 switches doing the job of 1...?! :028:
one switch doing 3 jobs is often a less efficient design than 3 switches each doing one job.

Take a look at BMW's iDrive system in their cars. Essentially 1 control input handling tens if not hundreds (depending on how you want to look at it) of different functions. It is universally considered a giant pain in the ass and a complete design failure. With the bikes I find that each function is a single, distinct move. The 3 in 1 design offers a more complex set of movements and each input varies only slightly from the other. While this may on the surface seem to be beneficial, it means that your brain has to "pay attention" a bit longer into the sequence to signal the difference. At some point the sequence is triggered and handed off to muscle memory. With the BMW switchgear this disengagement can happen as soon as the process is triggered, with the 3 in 1 the disengagement happens half way into the sequence.

Of course, this is just how I perceive it. I still think that familiarity trumps most everything else for most people, but I had been riding Honda's and Yamaha's for years and it only took a day with my first BMW to come to the conclusion that the switchgear was more ergonomically efficient.

just my opinion of course.

[Deans BMW]

Both the BMW S1000RR and the new K1300S will be shown at Intermot.

http://intermot.de.koelnmesse.info/

[mrogge]

I love BMW switchgear... am I the only one?

Gotta agree. I don't even have to think when signalling, etc. LOVE it!

[Deans BMW]

Apparently there will be some new Boxers shown as well.

[JCsman]

Apparently there will be some new Boxers shown as well.

Hmmm.... now where are there gaps in the boxer line up? Or are these evolutionary changes.

[Ed K]

The new 1000 and the new 1300???

http://www.motorfreaks.nl/images/stories/nieuws/algemeen%20nieuws/2008/07/2008-07-27_BMW_driecilinder/PROTO_BMW_ok.jpg

[Deans BMW]

My gut feeling in the evolution of the "Boxer" is the engine in the HP 2 Sport. All new castings, everything except the piston rings, (the same as the current R1200 series). The HP 2 sport engine is a much quiter engine mechanically and is again more powerful. San Jose is running RWHP's in the 140 range. I can see this engine moving thru out most of the current Boxer line with various Horse Powers for specific applications.

Just my $.02 worth.

[Optimus Prime]

My gut feeling in the evolution of the "Boxer" is the engine in the HP 2 Sport. All new castings, everything except the piston rings, (the same as the current R1200 series). The HP 2 sport engine is a much quiter engine mechanically and is again more powerful. San Jose is running RWHP's in the 140 range. I can see this engine moving thru out most of the current Boxer line with various Horse Powers for specific applications.

Just my $.02 worth.
I thought I read somewhere that BMW's head cheese said that they weren't going to propagate that motor throughout the range because it wasn't easy to mass produce and it was expensive. It wouldn't be the first time a head cheese blew smoke in the air.