Serena and Scott Need Some Advice

[BobFV1]

Hi All -

I clipped this out of the B&B thread (http://www.motorcyclistcafe.com/forums/showpost.php?p=41424&postcount=748) so we could all give it the attention it deserves:

http://www.motorcyclistcafe.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif R1200ST 2007
Hello Cafe "wriders"
Scott is two days and a minute from buying an FJR 2007 with the clutch,
and I am looking at the R1200ST 2007's but haven't been able to see one but in pictures. My closest dealer didn't have one, and I am looking to sell my Harley Road King because I want something sporty yet touring. I understand BMW offers the R1200ST and I wanted to know if anyone would be able to tell me about it, comparing say toa road king and FJR?

Love to read all this ,
we have been researching several months, and thought you guys might be able to tell us a thing or 2...
Best Regsrds,
Serena and Scott

[serena]

Bob,
Saludos!
Many thanks for starting a new thread about this, can't wait to learn more...
~Serena
:wave::wave:

[Deans BMW]

The difference between the Road King and the R1200ST is like nite and day. I have toured all over on my ST to include several 900 mile days. I would suggest trying a BMW R1200RT and a BMW K1200GT. There are so many good bikes out there that make good sport tourers. Either the R1200ST or RT or the K1200GT will have sport touring capabilities that are so far removed from what you experience on your HD, it would be hard, for me at least to quantify. You need to test ride any of the bikes. If you want a Fly and Ride good deal, let me know.

[jamming]

Serena and Scott:
Where to start? First of all are you going to be 2-up? Comparing the ST, Road King, and FJ are like comparing apples, oranges, and watermelons.

The R1200ST is VERY sporting in stock trim, with the low bars there is a lot of weight on your hands unless you have long arms. If you are over 5'9" your legs might be cramped even with the seat in the low position. The stock seat sucks, its narrow and has a slight forward tilt. To add any electrical accessories (lights, SAT Radio,etc) you need to add another wiring harness so as not to trip the CANBUS system. The wind protection is great. The upper and lower fairing shunts the wind very effectively, your helmet is in clean air. There are taller aftermarket shields if you want still and quiet air. There are aftermarket solutions to the problems if you devote the time and money. The bike weighs about 505 lbs without bags and about 525 with the bags on it.

The BMW cases are awesome, I've never had mine leak, they hold quite a bit, and with the top case the passenger has a great place to lean back on.

The engine...oh that sweet boxer twin, it is amazing. Less horsepower than the FJ but the power is there when you need it. Smooth power, tourqey power, oh and nothing does it for me more than the sound of a boxer screaming above 5 grand. That perfect time in the powerband when the tach and the speedo are screaming to the right in perfect unison.
I lover that motor. It's easy to tune, it's out there, and it'll last.

One thing no talks about is personality, the ST has that in spades. She's different, from the headlight back, which BTW you either love or hate. However, it is the BEST stock light I've ridden behind in 32 years on the street. I am grinning like a madman every time I light her up.

I love mine and she's gonna stay for the long haul. I considered moving on due to the shortcomings of the bike, but have conquered the few short comings or am working on them. Why? Because I need a do anything bike. I commute, tour and play Roger Roadracer on her and she does it without complaints. I have not found one motorcycle that fulfills the mission that I ask except for my ST.

The FJ is heavier, faster, I'm sure more comfortable for 2-up touring, but lacks a 6 speed. I was looking for another gear when I rode one. The FJ IS fast..love the motor. I liked the seating/handlebar position. I hated the heat they put out from the motor. Yamaha fixed most of it in 07. The FJ just seemed cookie cutter to me, maybe to many years on BMW's, but BMW is going that way also.

As far as the HD, it does nothing for me. Period, it's a nice bike but it invokes zero emotion.

Hope this helps, it seems most people that own the ST, love them. I think they would have been more popular if not for the headlight. That alone drove the masses away.

I'm willing to talk on the phone or answer any questions if you might have.

[Wild Will]

Serena, I remember you and Scott well! I'll just mention that you really should ride the new F800ST. It's a lithe; light torquey sleeper hooligan tourer and it has sport bike brakes. I really liked the 800, although I rode the S. The big twin BMW might be better for Texas, but that 800 will do it all in comfort, from all indications. The San Jose team is running one at the track this season, as Dean has shared with us.
See you at BB.

[Bill]

If I had anything other than the 650 GS you took a tumble on :icon_redface: I would be happy to let you do another demo ride! I should have warned you about twisting the right hand grip coming out of the turns-the thing just wants to jump forward! Wish I had my camera for the Cafe Board! Just happy it was in the soft dirt girl. It always makes me feel good when I see a young lady take charge like you did that Sunday! Lets go do some test rides in San Antonio.

[Deans BMW]

Will had an excellent suggestion on the F800, either the S or ST version, simply an amazing bike, 82 RWHP compared to 60 ish for the HD, top speed of 140, seems to make gas rather than use it, light, fantastic brakes, smooth.

Definitely worth a try.

[DarthRider]

Hey Serena, how ya doin' ?
Lots of good advice already posted, but I'll add my 2 cents too...

This board is way BMW centric which may explain the BMW recommendations as much as them being fine motorcycles ! This is by no means a BMW bash, I've had 3, including the R1150R I have owned since new, and have decided to keep as part of my 3-bike "retirement stable"...at least for a couple more years.

The ST & the RT are both great, have ridden them both, loved them both, and didn't buy either one. They just weren't for me, and that may be a clue.

There is an almost endless list of great motorcycles to recommend, but you didn't really say what type(s) of riding you want to do with it, and therein lies the rub ! And a great starting point...

Like most of us, you will probably use it for several things...commuting, touring, short weekend rides, etc. Maybe camping, 2-up...?? The proportion of each type of riding will help determine what trade-offs & compromises you can be happy with, and that will probably point you at several machines. Maybe several brands. I'm fortunate to have 3 bikes, each carefully chosen so I have to make no, or very few, compromises...each bike is nearly perfect for it's intended use. If you have only one bike, the choice becomes much more difficult...and important.

Don't rush the decision, take all the time you can stand to take. Ride everything you can get your hands on...you may find some acceptable compromises you hadn't thought of and trade-offs you just don't want to live with.

I tend to keep bikes a long time and typically take a year or so to pick one. Consequently I have never bought a bike I didn't love or that didn't fit its' intended usage. Nothing lasts forever though (not even a 30-year love affair with a special Norton!), and sometimes we change what we want to do on bikes or a bike, then it's time for a new one !

If I had a recommendation to make, I'd recommend something smaller than the ST, RT and especially FJR. That's a tough call since I know very little of your riding background...If you cut your teeth on dirt bikes and small to mid-size street bikes, never mind. If you didn't, I'd recommend a Suzuki 650 SVR, or 650 V-Strom, a 650 Kawasaki twin, or something else about that size. Will's suggestion of a F800S or ST is a good one, especially if you just must have a BMW. Any of these will radically out-perform the Road King, no matter how you define it.
Other, bigger bikes more along the sporty/touring side you mentioned...the Triumph Sprint ST or Tiger; Suzuki 1000 V-Strom, or Ducati STx. The BMW R1200R properly equipped is another alternative.

But anything in the mid-size and capability group would be great, and will teach you (or allow you to learn) things impossible or very difficult to learn on a bigger, heavier bike. When you move to a larger bike, you will be a much more diversely experienced rider, capable of making/allowing the big bike to perform to it's potential...and yours. It's very easy to ride a big bike poorly (watch HD gatherings), and very easy to ride a smaller bike well. Which leads to riding the big bikes well in the long run.

The MSF Experienced Rider Course is a must-have accessory for any new bike...you take the course on your own bike and really learn how to control it, and what it's capabilities/limitations are.

Good luck & keep us posted on what you do ! See you in BB...

[fnfalman]

FJR? R1200ST? Bah! Aprilia Tuono will fill all your needs and then some.:eusa_clap:

[fganger]

Serena and Scott,

Below are some of my longest days, in miles, longest trips, etc. Perhaps you will be able to see a pattern which can help you guys decide on the best path to take.

My longest trips:
Longest was on a 1995 BMW K75 15,000 miles
Next longest 1998 BMW K1200RS 11,000 miles
Third longest 2003 BMW R1150R 9,000 miles

My longest days in miles
Most miles in one day – 1450 on my K1200RS
Most miles in two days – 2400 on the K1200RS
Most miles in three days – 3305 on my K75
Most miles in four days – 4000 on my K1200RS

Longest trip in time – three months, Chicago to Yucatan Mexico on a Cushman in 1958.

First long trip - - 3,500 miles at 14 years old, on a Cushman

Shortest long trip - - 175 miles on my Harley, the engine melted (no, it did not seize, it melted) going from Chicago to Indianapolis. Well to tell the truth, I was trying to keep up with my riding buddies on their Japanese machines.:icon_cry:

One might tend to think I only or mostly buy BMW's and know little about other machines. I have owned about 30 different machines; many brands are no longer in production:

1960 BMW R50
196? BMW R50S*
196? BMW R69
196? BMW R69S
1967 BMW R69S*
1968 BMW R69US
1977 BMW R100S
1995 BMW K75
1998 BMW K1200RS
2003 BMW R1150R
1955 Cushman Pacemaker
1934 Harley Davidson 74 - The “Big Twin”
1967 Honda CB 350 Vertical twin
1981 Honda XL 350 4-stroke single
1963 Honda 650 Nighthawk four cylinder
1983 Honda 650T Turbo Vee Twin*
1975 Honda 1000 Goldwing 1975 naked*
1972 Kawasaki H-1 500 triple
1958 Motorumi
1938 Simplex 61 CI Vee Twin
1973 Suzuki X-6 Hustler 250 2-stroke twin
1973 Suzuki 750GT 3 cylinder water cooled triple*
1973 Ural with driven sidecar wheel and reverse
195? Wizzer Motorbike
1961 Yamaha YA5 125 2-stroke single
1962 Yamaha YDS2 250 2-stroke twin
196? Yamaha YDS3 250 2-stroke twin
196? Yamaha TD1 250 2-stroke twin racing machine
1967 Yamaha YR1 350 2-stroke twin
1979 Yamaha 650 Vertical twin
Lots and lots of three and four wheeler ATV’s. All while living in Alaska.

* - Bikes I wish I still owned.

Almost every time I look over this list I recall another bike I had but did not put on. The machines I had for only a day or two are not on the list. In any case, I keep a record of my miles, I was hoping for 1,000,000 by 12/23/07 - exactly 50 years of riding. That would come to an average of 20,000 miles per year. However, I'm a bit short of my figure; to date I have 962,500 miles. I don't believe I will see the one million mark by Christmas. However, I'm reasonably sure I will have the figure during my 50th year . . . if the Lords willing and the creek don't rise.

Wow, I have not thought about all of this for a while. In any case you will find a lot of people, on this site, who have skills I admire, I would feel comfortable asking for advice on almost any topic.

Frank

[Deans BMW]

Frank, a 3,500 mile trip on a Cushman Pacemaker.

That is a story you have to tell us....unbeliveable.

[DarthRider]

Holy Crap, Frank...!!

What a list !
What a memory !
Or maybe, what great record keeping !
What epic rides you have made !
What a bunch of cool bikes you have had !
Old Titanium Butt...

Dean...don't get twitchy. The Cushman 'Pacemaker' has nothing to do with a bum ticker...

[serena]

Hey Guys,
It's is great to hear from all of you, and I want to thank each of you for your pearls of wisdom, WOW!

This is such a great site, especially having had the opportunity to ride with most of you at BB last year. In fact I think my husband Scott might be warming up to actually joining the cafe here soon, he is really into it and loves reading about the different bikes.

Let me share a bit about what 's up... I want to get my hubby a bike for his 51st birthday. He has been riding sport bikes for 30 years, but wanted to try a touring cruiser type model.

Two years ago he bought the Yamaha Road Liner. He is OK with it, but just not jazzed up about it. The Yamaha is a touring cruiser type bike and his heart is into the sport.

He will be 51 in a month and I wanted to get him a bike that he really likes for his birthday. I almost surprised him with the FJR, which is the bike he has always really wanted. But when I found out the new one at our local dealer was an automatic clutch, I couldn't go through with it as that is a completely differnt ride (I would imagine). In the meantime, since I told him what I wanted to do, and how difficult it was for me to choose....he has been researching as many model publications, forums and websites everynight about the BMW RT, Ducati, Aprilla, and the FJR AE, and A, so
.....thus my questions to the forum...I figured you guys would be able to tell him a lot more than most any other resources.....

So far he has been fortunate to test drive both the FJR AE and A. He does not like the automatic cluth at all...and now he is not sure, after doing so much research he is really geting to learn more about the options that are available to him. He says the FJR A is the right bike, yet he is still looking at BMW's, Ducati, Aprilla....either he is not convinced about the FJR or he has a nasty case of MBS (multiple bike syndrome I hear it is called).

We just had dinner with Bill F. and if we can set up a couple of test rides with some BMW's and Aprilla's in San Antonio, I think we may go up there together net weekend.

So the FJR is on hold a bit more.

I ride a Harley Road King Custom 2006 and after trying Scott's Roadliner, that he will be giving up soon, I am thinking of adopting it and selling the Harley. It handles so much better, yet it sits straight back up with feet out in front like the Harley, and I am not so sure I like that posture either...and here is where I get in the picture/ concerned: I have only been riding 1.5 years and have always been a cyclist (racing and long distance). So I am very used to the sport posture, and would like to try it before I inherit another cruiser....so now I don't know if I want to adopt his Roadliner...or even keep my Harley. I can get away with three bikes, but not four.

My riding is weekends and trips. Used to ride to work everyday, but not anymore. I have to wear suits and heels most days and it just is too much to deal with changng outfits etc. everyday. Scott has me pretty well convinced to always go out on the bike with full armor and full face, and I think he is pretty smart about that.

Ideally, I think he would like to try the RT, the F800 ST sounds like real winner for me maybe, or I'd love to at least try it. I feel like I am missing a whole "other" dimension to motorcycling by not trying it... and I love to ride leaning over my tank with my weight on my arms, legs on the passsenger pegs. It is very comfortable for me.

Scott might like the R1200ST....or the RT. For me, the RT is too much stuff in the front, I feel like I am behind a car dash board. The first time I sat on my bike after getting the fairing on my first bike (a V Star 650) I reached for my seatbelt! But I am open to trying anything, at least once!

Anyhow,
Hopefully we can get some test rides in San Antonio.

I fly to Maryland for grad school in July, thinking about a fly' n ride over there if possible...I would love to try the F800ST...

Many thanks people!
I am going to try to convince Scott to join tonight....looking forward to BB!
Best Regards,
Serena

[Deans BMW]

Serena, please understand that I am somewhat BMW centric, try either of the F800's and if available the R1200R. After reading your above post, either of these might fit your bill. If Scott likes a comfortable sport ride, then he should try the R1200S, the K1200S and the K1200R sport.

[BobFV1]

Serena -

Sounds like your husband is an inline 4 type of guy, but he should at least try out a GS. The GS has a completely different powerband, but the bike's versatility and incredible maneuverability make it a real fun bike to ride - surprisingly maneuverable and quick!

When you get to Maryland, drop me a note. Bob's BMW, between DC and Baltimore, is one of the best dealerships in the country and they have a full fleet of demo bikes that they will let any licensed rider take out - I'd be pleased to take you over there and introduce you to the crew.

Good luck with your "quest"!

[socalrob]

Dean posted:
Serena, please understand that I am somewhat BMW centric

Deans also noted as being the master of understatement . . . .

I too would suggest you give a R1200R a try. If it fits you, its a great all around bike & would be a joy to ride coming off cruisers, which IMO are deceptively difficult bikes to ride well.

[geechie]

You could do worse...

http://r1150r.smugmug.com/photos/134152713-M.jpg

http://r1150r.smugmug.com/photos/147104843-M.jpg

With the the side cases, a top case and a small tank bag, the bike will hold a freakin' ton of stuff. And I find it quite comfortable too.

This is a great time to be looking for a new bike.

George

[Bill]

Scott, Serena and possibly Mike Perez and I will be departing McAllen in the morning at 6:00 am so we can be at Alamo BMW in San Antonio when they open. She has called and has all kinds of Demo Rides line up with them. Will see how the wind blows..R1200RT, R1200R, F800ST, R1200GS, K bikes, and I might try out the Vespa line of 2 wheels for my style of riding. I just want a pink:icon_redface: one not that Red that Dean O rides at Big Bend. Don't look for a post till Sunday morning cause it will be a long day.
Call me Lewis and I might tell you how the wind is blowing..We are going in the Air Conditioned Cage!

[Deans BMW]

Bill, maks sure she tries the R1200R, youall have a good time.

[serena]

Dear Bob, Dean, Geechie, oh the guy with the Pecker, Lewis,
Rob and all you guys giving me good stuff,
THANKS!
We are going tomorrow to try some and I am really grateful BMW let's you test ride. You know that says a lot.
When you are going to spend that much, you want to know.
Had a test rode the HD I am not certain it would have ended in a sale. It's a great bike an all but I think I like the sport posture more after cycling so long.
Bob, I will give you a hollar when I get to DC. My classes go through the 11th and then I am planning a motorbike ride with my father to Nova Scotia or Skyline Drive. I would be calling you somewhere between the 12th and 14th most likely.
More on Sunday when we get back. If I can, I would like to try the R1200R.
R1200S, and F800ST ~
Does anyone know if thise bikes can handle sirius radio and a CB? Just curious...Scott has a radar detector, a radar jammer, bue tooth in the helmet for radar and phone as well as the sirius and CB. His bike starts and its like the emergency broadcast system check
Best Regards,
Many thanks, Serena

[jamming]

Does anyone know if thise bikes can handle sirius radio and a CB? Just curious...Scott has a radar detector, a radar jammer, bue tooth in the helmet for radar and phone as well as the sirius and CB. His bike starts and its like the emergency broadcast system check
Best Regards,
Many thanks, Serena

Yes, no problem...however..there's always that. You will need to run them off of the battery using another fuse block that's relayed. No problem at all. Plenty here that have done it...and you KNOW we're full of advice...among other things :)

[BobFV1]

Does anyone know if thise bikes can handle sirius radio and a CB? Just curious...Scott has a radar detector, a radar jammer, bue tooth in the helmet for radar and phone as well as the sirius and CB. His bike starts and its like the emergency broadcast system check
Best Regards,
Many thanks, Serena

Serena -

They can all handle them, but some, like the RT and GS, have an upgraded charging system to make them even more suited to electrical accessories. The newer bikes have electronic relays (called a "CanBus" system) which will trip if the stock electrical system is disturbed, so we all just bypass the CanBus system with a less than 100.00 modification that adds a relay and auxiliary fuse block off the battery.

Enjoy the test rides! Look forward to seeing you back this way :thumb:

[Deans BMW]

Serena, BMW's come with very hi capacity alternators, between 600 and 800 watts. Due to the canbus system, I would reccomend a fused link comming from the battery.

[socalrob]

An R1200R & an R1200RT would be a great combo for husband & wife, nice bikes to switch off, & when you get to your destination take the cases of both & have fun.

[Moose]

Scott and Serena, I don't care what you guys ride at BB, just bring some bourbon. Moose

[serena]

Just test rode the F800S, the R1200R, and the R1200S and I really like the
R1200S the best but all are great bikes, I love the feel asnd the ride as a whole...Scott just rode the K1200R, Bill tried F800S snd the R1200R which he likes the best.
These folks at Alamo are the best
More to come!
Serena

[Bill]

Well after her last post Scott jumped on board the K Roadster, you did not have to hear a comment just look at his eyes. Any way they pulled the trigger and scott rode the beast home. His last comment was WOW what a bike! You will have to wait till they make the disclosure but all I can say is they are both happy!

I rode the 800S boy what a motor, it is responsive as hell, and I rode the R1200R and If I bought a BMW this would be the bike for me! I did not care that much for the 800 ST nor the S, but liked the motor. If they came out with a 800 GS I could go for one.

[serena]

So I gave Scott the bike of his dreams for his 51st birthday that has got him smiling from ear to ear. I am so glad I asked you guys about it when I was two hairs shy of buying the FJR that he thought was the one.

Bill and I were both totally surprised with his choice: the R1200S was immediately the one, he knew it completely after he rode it.

Scott calls it VOODOO cause it put a spell on him!

He hasn't ever looked happier in the twenty years that I have known him.

We are still in the garage cleaning it after the maiden voyage...

Want to thank Bill for taking us~ Lewis for the half-time feedback, and all you guys on the cafe are awesome, a beacon of light in the fog.

:pftroest:
~ Saludos!
Serena

[BobFV1]

Pictures please! :)

[DarthRider]

Serena, could I send Betty down there a while for some lessons ?
And tell her to check here rear while you're at it !

Sounds like Scott's all fixed up...when does Serena get new wheels ?

[serena]

Scott is off riding this morning, and I do need take pictures!

I am planning on getting the same bike, hopefully next weekend. I'll know for sure by Tuesday. We will be selling the HD, and will be keeping the Roadliner if we ever miss cruising two up like the old days!

Scott and I will ride to San Antonio, for his first check up and my first pick up, leaving the HD at the Alamo BMW dealer there.

Both of us will have R1200S, I hope, and am very excited about it...

Looking forward to BB

[Deans BMW]

Serena, is it the K1200R or the K1200R Sport or the K1200S?????

[serena]

Hi Dean, Great to hear from you, I love what is happening to the biker bunk house!
Scott settled on the R1200S Black Beauty / he calls it VUDU cause it put a spell on him.

He is in love.

I am practicing my rosary, and praying that he rides safe.

He rode with Bro Bill this morning, all the twisties they could find.
The engine sounds amazing, he has really opened it up. Rides it like he stole it.

He has just finished or nearly finished his first 600 miles (in less than 24 hours/ I would qualify him an iron butt, however I know that takes some serious credentials...

I am thinking of getting the same bike, itis super comfortable and fun as all get out....only would miss the saddle bags, but I understand packing light is essential...

Dean I understand you have some experience with the R1200S..
racing?

interested to know how you like the bike..
Serena

[Deans BMW]

Serena, I am absolutely in lust for the R1200S, it is a fantastic bike. There is nothing like a twin. If you ever want accessories, let me know, the board gets special deals on stuff from San Jose.

I spent three days on this one, the first to arrive at San Jose, This bike later became the silver bike that won the first 8 hour Moto ST race at Daytona.

Here it is on Hwy 1 in Northern Ca.

http://r1150r.smugmug.com/photos/74016084-M.jpg

[Sir Limpsalot]

If you get a 1200S you don't have to do without luggage..

http://r1150r.smugmug.com/photos/106527144-L.jpg

The BMW bags shown are variable (or perhaps expandable is a better word) and clip on and off in seconds. I'm sure Dean could get you a "deal" on some.

Cheers! Si.

[Bill]

I wish I had a picture of Scott alongside the bike... This one I found on SmugMug but looks like his bike... Black is Beautiful

http://lkk.smugmug.com/photos/44667135-L.jpg

[BobFV1]

That bike would look even slicker (if that is possible) with black anodized jug covers and black powder-coated wheels, methinks!

[serena]

I think its great that the R1200S can carry saddles, that really helps. I was going to go for the R1200R for that carry on feature, but now am thinking more towards the R1200S because it was so comforatable for me...

I have a question for anyone on the forum who loves the R1200R ...

Is the R1200R bike adjustable /seat and handle bar wise? I tried it and had a hard time with the weight on my wrists, and that is the only reason why I am going for the R1200S.. but if I could get comfortable on it I would buy it... that way Scott and I have two different bikes, which Scott would prefer instead of buying two of the same bikes.

Any feedback form you guys with experience and objectivity would be appreciated.

Thanks again,
Serena

[BobFV1]

I think its great that the R1200S can carry saddles, that really helps. I was going to go for the R1200R for that carry on feature, but now am thinking more towards the R1200S because it was so comforatable for me...

I have a question for anyone on the forum who loves the R1200R ...

Is the R1200R bike adjustable /seat and handle bar wise? I tried it and had a hard time with the weight on my wrists, and that is the only reason why I am going for the R1200S.. but if I could get comfortable on it I would buy it... that way Scott and I have two different bikes, which Scott would prefer instead of buying two of the same bikes.

Any feedback form you guys with experience and objectivity would be appreciated.

Thanks again,
Serena

Serena,

They make bar risers and barbacks for it, as well as peg lowering kits and aftermarket seats, so the R1200R can be ergonomically modified quite a bit. I had the same wrist-pressure problem on my stock R1150R that you describe and I went to a Sargent seat and bar risers and the problems went away.

[serena]

Hey Bob, Thanks for that tip. Glad I was not a total weirdo on that comfort aspect, no pun intended.
Iplan to go to the dealer again next Sat and will try again in different positions to see if I can enjoy it.
Thanks again,
Serena

[socalrob]

I also had a sargent seat on my R1150R. It was just so much better than the stock its hard to describe. It also changed the "reach" for me, so would recomend staarting with a sargent seat & then moving on to bar backs/risers if needed. I did not need them.

Theoretically the R1200R should be a bit smoother, it has a counterbalencer in the engine that I think they took out of the R1200S (to make it rev faster). I've alsways liked the S, but for me does not seem as comfortable, and I don't think you can modify the bars as easy as they would interfere with the fairing. So I would want to be sure the S was good at the dealer.

The ST, BTW, you can get a complete handlebar kit if you don't like the clip ons.

[serena]

Rob, Appreciate your feedback.
I sure like this site it is so cool to be able to go to the cafe and hang out, a great get away, indoors.
Serena

[GPM]

Another thing to ask you dealer is, are there different seats available for the R1200R. I know that in the case of the 1150, they made a 'Comfort' seat that was a bit taller and in my case much more comfortable.

Generally speaking, the Roadsters have been some of the most 'adjustable' of the BMW line. You should be able to find a bar/peg/seat relationship that works for you. And, as others have said, there are always a multitude of after market choices available. I've had good luck with Bill Mayer, Sargent, and even Corbin seats on various BMW's.

But then, I've probably purchased just about every after market part available for my bikes. I'm starting to think its some kind of disorder.

[serena]

Thanks for your feedback.
On the bit about disorder, I know I've got one and
I think it is going to be listed in the Psych manuals as: MBS
standing for "Multiple Bike Syndrome"
BUT the R1200S just might be the end of it for me, that bike was so comfortable. Reminded me of cycling but with lots more go and lots more fun...
Serena

[Deans BMW]

Serena,the R1200R has several stock seats available and in addition, the seats can be put in several positions. The handle bars and controls can be somewhat adjusted as well. The R1200R uses the same saddle bags as the R1200RT, the R1200ST and the K1200GT.

[DarthRider]

+1 on the Sargent seats !
Much better than Corbin, very different from OEM optional seats.
I have one on the Speedy and I love it.

[Deans BMW]

I wouldn't put a Corbin seat on anything. The last bunch of bikes that I owned and have owned have always had the stock seat. My aftermarket seat of preference is now the Russel, the origional Meyer Day Long seat, IMHO the best in the business.

[serena]

Dear Dean,
I saw that Simon had touring bags equipped on his R1200S (i think it was his but not sure) and I have decided to get the R1200S because i like it so much already. Can you tell me how to get the touring bags (same ones as I think the R1200ST / with a cross hatch pattern) onto this bike, and how I would go about getting them? I already senr Simon a private message but wanted to be sure to check with you too considering you may have some more leads on accessories.
Looking forward to seeing you at BB, and thanks again for all your input.
Best Regards, Serena

[DarthRider]

Hey Serena -

You going to let me ride that fine R1200S at BB ?
You can ride my KLR 650...seems like a fair trade !

"The one with the..." well, you know,

[Deans BMW]

Serena, the bags on the R1200S are similar to the ones on the K1200S as Ed has on his new Black K1200S. The Bags on the K1200GT, the R1200ST and the R1200RT are the same. I will find out the Price for the R1200S bags tomorrow.

On a BMW, the R in front of the numbers denote the two cylinder Boxer motor. The K in front of the number denotes the four cylinder motor.

As a side note, the R1200S is a fantastic bike, congratulations.

[serena]

Hi Dean and Peckerhead...
Good to hear from you guys!
Thanks for looking into that Dean, the dealer told me NO BAGS (saddle that is) for the R1200S, but then I saw Simon's photo of the R1200S with saddle bags and was elated!
I look forward to learning more and thanks again. About riding my bike at BB?
hmmmm....Peckerhead....can I come up to Amarillo and ride your Speed Triple?
Scott tried the K inline four cyclinder model and was blown away, steered from it and settled for the boxer R1200S to "stay alive and out of too much trouble" . I was extemely impressed with his prudence.

[Ed K]

Serena,

You're going to love the R1200S!!!

I have very fond and fresh memories and pics when Dean set me up for a spin on one when they first hit dealers... and came very close to buying one.

Have you picked a color yet?

[serena]

Hi Ed!
My R1200S will be black!
I pick it up in San Antonio Saturday...
Can't wait for the haul back to McAllen..
I really enjoyed the test ride and know I will love it in the long haul.

[Ed K]

The RS looks great in black ... Congrats!

[DarthRider]

Peckerhead....can I come up to Amarillo and ride your Speed Triple?



Serena - Of course you can ride my Speed Triple ! I'm not going to have it at BB or you could ride it there.
But...Our house is half-finished in Timbercreek Canyon and it's a great place to stop off going to the mountains.

Remember..."For a fast ride, a cold beer, a hot steak, and a warm bed, come to the Crazy Coyote House !"

[Sir Limpsalot]

Dear Dean,
I saw that Simon had touring bags equipped on his R1200S (i think it was his but not sure) and I have decided to get the R1200S because i like it so much already. Best Regards, Serena

Ahh, Serena. Sadly the machine pictured is not mine, but one I saw at the NEC show in Birmingham. (That's England rather than Alabama, by the way.)

Don't forget that Steve Carlton has an R1200S. This is one of his shots of his bike which proves that when the panniers are removed the brackets are hardly even visible. Well, not obtrusive anyway!

http://gromitspapa.smugmug.com/photos/143785902-O.jpg

For more great pic's of Steve's bike check out.

http://www.motorcyclistcafe.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3270

Good luck, Simon.

[serena]

Simon thanks for the lead on the pictures, they are great.
Very excited to pick it up tomorrow. We leave at the crack of dawn, and will take photos!

[BobFV1]

Scott tried the K inline four cyclinder model and was blown away, steered from it and settled for the boxer R1200S to "stay alive and out of too much trouble" . I was extemely impressed with his prudence.

Serena -

Scott's instincts have driven him in the right direction with the R bike! He doesn't yet realize it, but he was seduced by the low end "grunt" and rumble of the classic and ageless flat twin design. You see, anybody can ride a big four fast, but soon Scott will understand how satisfying it is to keep those twins up on the tail end of rice-burning squids through the twisty bits.

The K-bike engine is like the Paris Hilton, great to see on your arm in the tabloids, maybe fun for a quick spin or two (:077:), but it's a 50-yard dash, not a marathon. The R bike is the smart, pretty one that you take home to mama!

[fganger]

"The K-bike engine is like the Paris Hilton, great to see on your arm in the tabloids, maybe fun for a quick spin or two, but it's a 50-yard dash, not a marathon. The R bike is the smart, pretty one that you take home to mama!"

Bob what a great line and so true.

Serena I'm sure you will have a long and happy relationship with your S. When they come out with the "lowered version" I may be able to join you.:icon_redface:

Frank

[Bill]

Our ride on the 4th of July

:pftroest:
http://sweetwilliam.smugmug.com/photos/169537196-L.jpg

http://sweetwilliam.smugmug.com/photos/169536926-L.jpg

http://sweetwilliam.smugmug.com/photos/169537516-L.jpg

[Elsie Smith]

Wow, that's so great to see you on the bikes! What a thrill to be out riding a bit on this fabulous day...

[DarthRider]

Two cool...!! :eusa_clap::eusa_clap:

[Ed K]

Looks like those bikes were custom made for you two!!!

[serena]

:icon_redface:
Geez Bill, Thanks so much for taking pictures of Scott and I with our new babies!
Really enjoyed the ride with you today, and thanks for the books.
Serena

[fganger]

Pssst . . . Serena . . . this is just between the two of us. Find an excuse, anyone will do, and ride the bike to San Jose BMW. Have them "warm up" your bike a bit, but do not, and I repeat, do not tell your husband.:096:

When you "guys" are riding you can be very solicitous about his bike being just a tad slower than yours. Perhaps you could mention the power-to-weight ratio or other such dribble. Who cares what you say as long as your bike is faster. :pot:

I must repeat, do not tell him anything . . . of course if you really are forced into telling what you did - DO NOT, AND I REPEAT, DO NOT TELL HIM WHO GAVE YOU THE IDEA. Perhaps you could mention that Dangerous Dave suggested it.:pot: Yes, it's all Dangerous Dave's fault.

Stink . . . err . . . Dangerous Dave:028:

PS: Is he a good shot? Inquiring minds want to know.

[socalrob]

Scott & Serena,

Thats a fantastik pair of bikes. There is something so cool with your switch from cruisers to BMW Sport. Its like you moved forward about 50 years! Ride safe, & see you in BB.

[BobFV1]

http://sweetwilliam.smugmug.com/photos/169537196-M.jpg

That is a beautiful pair of bikes! :041: Riding must be a real blast. Quite a forward riding position, but that's the "S" part, right!

Only three more words - cylinder head protectors.

[Bill]

http://sweetwilliam.smugmug.com/photos/169537355-L.jpg

http://sweetwilliam.smugmug.com/photos/169538063-L.jpg

[geechie]

Now this...
http://sweetwilliam.smugmug.com/photos/169538063-L.jpg
...is clearly the face of one happy camper.

Y'all done good!!

George

[fnfalman]

Two bikes of the same colors? So how will you know which is His and which is Hers?:pot::pftroest:

[Bill]

Easy, hers has a good looking girl riding it. Other than that there is one bike mfg between these two.. oh the dealer tags have different dates -hers is the newest bike by 7 days.....