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Dallara
01-30-2006, 10:18 AM
Well, I got a new toy this weekend... Actually, it's more of tool than a toy.

What is it?

A new trailer.

I know, I know... I'm going to get a lot of flak from a whole mess of ya' saying things like "Trailer? Why don't your bike there, you wuss?", etc. But hey, in all my long years around motorcycling it has been my experience that there is nothing quite so convenient under certain circumstances than a really good motorcycle trailer.

It's about 200 miles from my home to get to any truly fantastic riding roads, and I hate cooking off 400 miles worth of expensive rubber every time I want to go to the Hill Country. Last Metzler Z-6 I had on the rear of my R1150R was toast at 4,000 miles, and using 10% of that every time I go hunting for twisty roads is ludicrous. A good trailer also comes in handy for hauling dirt bikes, picking up folks with busted motorcycles, and a godsend if you have to haul a broken bike to a dealer.

Anyway, in the past I had always built my trailers (three to be exact), and had my designs evolve into some unique and very versatile rigs... Movable wheel stays (the thing the front wheels push up against), multiple tie-down points, full flat deack to make them easy to walk around on while tying things down (and my last two home-builts used expanded metal grate for the decks to make them easy to clean and save weight), ramps and spare tire stowing underneath, load bearing fenders, box up front for storage and protecting the bikes from rock chips, etc.

And understand - I like open trailers, and don't care at all for enclosed ones. Why? Lighter weight, less aerodynamic drag, ability to haul more different and varied stuff, easier storage, less wear and tear on wheel bearings and tires, and the ability to be towed at much higher speeds if they are designed and laid out right.

I was all set to build another one when I stumbled across an outfit called Triton trailers out of Wisconsin...

All welded, ALL ALUMINUM construction, torsion suspension (helps make it lower and ride better), allow wheels, moveable wheel stays, a very trick style of "bearing buddies", flat deck with movable tie-down points, all aluminum lockable storage box, a real sealed wiring harness, inserted rubber grommet lighting, load bearing fenders (so you can sit, stand, step, etc. on them), ramp storage underneath, swivel jack, and a lot of other features I used ot build into my trailers. They aren't cheap, but good things rarely are... I could have had a nice, used enclosed trailer for what I paid for this one, but it would not have been nearly as tough or as versatil, so I'm happy.

Found out through Triton that they had a dealer/distributor in Houston, and started e-mailing and phone chatting with about a month and a half ago. After much good natured negotiating we settled on a fair price, discounted considerably from list... Decided on a pick-up date, and off I went to Houston at the crack of dawn Saturday morning. Met up with the owner, Larry, there at his storage facility (they aren't usually open on Saturday), and he the trailer all ready to go with all the accessories we had discussed, paperwork, etc. Really nice guy to deal with.

Finished up all the details and I hit the road for home while Larry took off for a boat show where he had a display in San Antonio. Hauled the unladen trailer home with the venerable Chevy Suburban "Pagan Family Truckster" and towed it as fast as 100 MPH just to check out the towing characteristics... And it towed like a dream (though unladen).

Here's a pic from Triton's web site:

http://www.tritontrailers.com/models/mctdfrontrear.jpg


You can hang a center wheel stay and haul three bikes with it, but they would have to be dirt bikes. It's a little bit tight for three big road bikes, though I have never found myself hauling more than two (just like most enclosed trailers) big street motorsicles, anyway.

With the way I build my own trailers I couldn't have made one up for much less than this one, and it would have been half-again heavier as I make 'em out of steel, and it would have cost me damn near as much. Despite being aluminum this rig is hell for strong, and I foresee no construction or reliablity issues.

I am still going to make some minor modifications to it (like I do with everything else!), but not many. It's pretty *right* as it sits.

I will shoot some pics of the completed rig once I finish fooling with it and post 'em here.

Wooooo-Hooooo! I'm jazzed !!! :026:

Just thought some of you who might need a trailer in the future might be interested.

Cheers!

Allan (Dallara)

DJ Down Under
01-30-2006, 10:44 AM
Dallara...So...your jazzed..:037: ..you Americans sure do talk funny..:003:


we settled on a fair price
Do tell.

btw...the trailer looks great...congrats.

DJ

Acacia
01-30-2006, 12:20 PM
You got that right DJ - they "do talk funny"...here!

Wait till you hear - everything in Texas is broken - even the food! You have to have fixin's on it to be able to eat it, and then they are always fixin' to do this or that...

Because of my 'other' than local accent they often do not understand me and mostly think I am intelligent/smart because of that! :048:


Alan,
one problem with that trailer - where do you put the BBQ?

Dallara
01-30-2006, 12:22 PM
Don't know about Downunder, DJ...

But here Jazzed is like pumped, excited, gleeful, full of alacrity and cheerful readiness, etc.... :eusa_dance:

Anyway, I like it... A lot. I dunno', but I have always been a sucker for lots of pretty aluminum extrusions, and just aluminum in general, particularly when it is all assembled with nice, clean heli-arc welds. That's probably what hooked me on this trailer more than anything...

It's put together like a modern-day aluminum motorcycle chassis, with a neat mix of aluminum extrusions, square tubing, castings, and aluminum alloy sheet. Literally the only things NOT aluminum are the axles and torsion bar housings, the fasteners, the plastic fenders, the lights, and the coupler. It even has a neat gas strut arrangement for the storage box lid. The whole rig is really and truly First Class.

Another plus for me down in our environment is the wonderful corrosion resitance of aluminum alloy. Our atmosphere here on the Texas Gulf Coast is laden with salt in the air... and steel trailers when you are building them rust before you can get paint on 'em! Always, in the past, when I got a trailer chassis finished up I would have to take it out and have the whole bare frame sandblasted to remove the rust, then rush it back to the paint shop and have it demet coated (a zinc-based sacrificial primer), then zinc or red-oxide primed, then paint primed, and finally finished painted with a good polyurethane finish. Even with all that prep I would end up having to disassemble and repaint the trailers every four or five years on the average.

Not so with this one... Swab it down with some good, fast evaporating solvent to remove and oils or greases, then lightly hit it with come clear polyurethane on the upper surfaces, and hey... Bob's your uncle! Do that every three years or so - an hour or two task compared with two days work with the steel trailers - and aluminum will go forever with no corrosion.

How much did I pay?

Well, lets just say where the price started out (with all the add-on's and factory accessories I wanted, and getting a 2006 model) would damn near buy you a brand new 2006 Kawasaki KLR-650 dual-purpose bike...

Where it ended up is what you'd pay for a nice, clean, two or three-year-old Kawasaki KLR-650...

Yep, that's expensive for a trailer, but I imagine this will be the last one I own in my lifetime, so to me it's worth it.

Cheers!

Allan (Dallara)

R4R&R
01-30-2006, 01:19 PM
Nice trailer.

I picked up a brand new 5'x10' utility trailer a few years ago for $700. I bought it when I still had dirtbikes and it has added functionality as a larger 'pickup truck', meaning I easily put sides on it and can haul loose supplies (dirt, mulch, gravel, etc.). Sure, it's not shiny but it sure is useful in many ways. I hope I never need it for my R.

Bones
01-30-2006, 02:07 PM
Allan,:eusa_clap:
We are a sorry lot, us bunch of scallawags, when we can get excited about things like trailers. It is surely a guy thing.

I, however, understand, completely. I bought what sounds to be a very, very simiilar trailer last year to haul my track bike and gear. Like yours, just about everything is aluminum including wheels (even the spare). Mine is enclosed, because we are guaranteed to have bad weather a lot up here. For my purposes, the enclosed version was the right choice.

The fact that I got almost as excited about the trailer as I did a new bike just speaks to how twisted I am........we already know you are twisted. :058:

If your experience is anything like mine, you will find that you use it alot more and for alot more things than you might have originally planned. And that is a nice bonus.

Enjoy it!

Jeff

fganger
01-30-2006, 06:01 PM
“I have always been a sucker for lots of pretty aluminum extrusions.” I love it when you talk dirty.:037:

The trailer looks just great, I'm almost afraid to ask - but I will - how much only? (My face is twisting in a strange contortion fearing the worst):104:

It is just what my Bonnie and I have been looking for, light, strong, ride the bike up the ramp, protection and storage; it has everything.

Frank

BobFV1
01-30-2006, 06:44 PM
Nice looking trailer, Mr. Pagan - you could always get on there in your tightie whities with a horse whip in the middle of the night and play "Ben Hur"

fganger
01-30-2006, 08:12 PM
Nice looking trailer, Mr. Pagan - you could always get on there in your tightie whities with a horse whip in the middle of the night and play "Ben Hur"


Hmmm, I never thought of that, now I hope I can get the image out of my head before I go to bed.:028: I have enough "bad nights" fighting old battles, I don't need any more things to dream about when I'm sleeping. I don't think my Bonnie can take it.:037:

Frank

socalrob
01-31-2006, 11:45 PM
Dallara,

I bought an all steel welded 3 bike trailer for my Honda XR400 & son's CRF80. I keep it in the garage with the bikes on it so its ready to go at a moments notice, all I have to do is tighten up the straps, as I don't like to keep the suspension under compression all the time.

The trailer also has a nice welded steel box & a rack that will take 4 five gallon fuel jugs, a nice safety feature so I don't have to keep fuel jugs in my suburban.

Unlike you, I'm still young enough to balance between rails, so I didn't feel the need for a full floor on the trailer.:)

Only modification I've made is to bolt the license plate to one of the wheel fenders (I curved it & bolted it vertical) so that I don't have to worry about the stupid plastic license plate holder breaking while running around in the dirt or driveways.

All in all, the trailer was a great investment for about $1,400 new.

You might want to check if your suburban is running ok, as you shouldn't really even notice something as light as a bike trailer. Of course yours does seem to go faster than mine, my 2001 suburban has a hard cutout governor at 95 mph. My 89 suburban has no governor, but it only has a 3 speed auto & I don't think I've ever had it up higher than the low 90's anyway.

Of course, seriously,your new trailer does look really cool. If your going to trailer a road bike, might as well do it in style.

Dallara
02-01-2006, 09:03 AM
Hey, SocalRob...

I'm with you on having a trailer as a truly convenient conveyance when you need it. That's why I have been pondering purchasing or fabricating another one for the past two years... Besides, one comes in really handy when you want to go 400 miles each way to pick up a beautiful vintage bike you've been dying to purchase! :026:

There's no doubt we could have built one here in our shop that would be even more versatile and have larger capacity than this aluminum one, but to be quite honest we just don't have the time or free space at the moment. After all, business comes first... Besides, with the design we had it would have cost damn near as much (out of steel, no less) as this trailer, and that's not even counting labor! We may still build up our newest design, but at least now the time-constraint pressure is off (I wanted a trailer by April 1st), and this one can fill in quite admirably for the time being, and give me some more time to fine-tune our latest design.

Right now the new aluminum trailer is heading to the shop to get some tricks and tweaks put on it to improve it some... I guess I can just never leave well enough alone... :104:

About Suburban's...

Mine is a a 2002 4WD 1500 LS with the 5.3 liter (327 cid) Z-Variable dual-fuel engine, with a 4-speed 4L60-E transmission and pushbutton two-speed, full-time capable transfer case. However, I have replaced the standard alloy wheels with steel wheels (better for off-road in our hunting environment down here) shod with 116 MPH-rated Michelin rubber, and I have used a Hypertech PowerProgrammer to, shall we say... *Alter* a few of the driving parameters. Mine was speed-limited to 94 MPH, but now the fuel cut-off comes in at 110 MPH. I don't drive it up there much, as a friend of mine (one of our former race team crew - a shock specialist) who works at GM in the Suburban/Tahoe/Escalade NVH and Suspension R&D department warned me that Suburban driveshafts of that vintage can have some very serious vibration (read flying apart) issues at anything over 110... So much for stouter rubber and a 120-125 limit!

The Suburban didn't notice this 550 lbs. trailer when I towed it back. I just like to run 'em to higher velocities unladen to see how well the designer of the trailer did his homework on tongue length, weight bias, springing, etc. I guess I cuold have rolled it on up to 110 where the fuel cut-off comes in, but it was raining, and there were plenty of DPS (Texas Department of Public Safety Highway Patrol Troopers) out along the way and I didn't need a ticket... :embarassed:

I love my Suburban... One of the most versatile, comfortable, and tough vehicles I have ever owned. Only a few tweaks done to it, and it just flat works!

Cheers!

Allan (Dallara)

socalrob
02-01-2006, 04:35 PM
Dalara,

The newer generation suburbans,(they started in 2000 maybe?) have so much better brakes than the older ones, its almost a reason to upgrade.

My newer suburban, the family mobile that sometimes is put into survey work service, is a 2001 3/4 ton (2500 model) 4x4 with a 8.1 liter V8. I can't recall the rear diff. ratio, but its not the 4.19, its the one down from that. I got the 2500 8.1L 4x4 because we had a 1996 1500 4x4 that was just too light, it was not dependable, left us stranded more than once with a bad alternator, it went through 5 or 6 alternators in 100,000 miles. The new 2001 sub is very sturdy, and with its "autoride" active suspension, actually gives a pretty decent ride quality. I got limited slip in the rear, so it handles offroad pretty well in 4x4 low range.

I will say I thought the 8.1 engine would be a bit quicker, it almost feels like it has so much mass to get spinning that it is not a "lively" engine. It does have a ton of torque, and it drives pretty much the same up steep grades or towing as it does in the flats. Just not fast off the line. It took about 40,000 miles until it felt "broken in".

My old suburban is a 1989 3/4 ton 4x4, 350 engine, 250,000 miles. I factory ordered it with rubber mats (base model), front & rear limited slip, and thats about it. Cost $19,000 out the door in 89. That truck is a tank, has totaled 3 other cars/trucks that have hit it, I have thrashed it off road, my survey crew thrashes it daily, & it still keeps going. 3 years ago I had a new factory crated engine put in, transmission rebuilt, & new exhaust put on. The thing carries about 2,000 lbs of equipment every day, so it does take abuse. I somehow doubt the new ones will last as long.

marko
02-01-2006, 09:26 PM
Beautiful trailer.
When i come to get a trailer, unfortunately it will have to be dual purpose......lots of dirt and junk most of the time, then the bike some of the time..! They make a nice little trailer that converts from box to bike quickly.
Yours is the biz though and a nice looking rig.

boxermania
02-05-2006, 02:29 AM
Dallara......kudos to you, for the choice is an excellent one. That is the Cadillac of trailers, I wished I could have one, but three things are in my way: 1) The inordinate amount of cars and bikes presently in my possesion 2) I'm basically cheap and prefer to borrow my friends trailers, they don't use them much plus I provide for maintenance and for the most important reason 3) The one that I have to share my bed with.....:058: