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Deans BMW
01-06-2007, 02:09 PM
http://www.vintagebike.co.uk/Bike%20Directories/BSA%20Bikes/images/BSA%20A65.jpg

http://www.vintagebike.co.uk/Bike%20Directories/BSA%20Bikes/images/BSA%20Thunderbolt.jpg

The BSA Lightning is the motorcycle that first pops into mind when someone or something first triggers my memory banks pertaining to motorcycles, it is the first download then followed by all the others.

I had flown all my life up to then as my dad always had an airplane but never had any formal training so went to a flight school in St Petersburg Florida called National Aviation Academy to get all my ratings. I had at the time a '67,I think, Yamaha 350 twin, one of the earliest ones. I used to hang out at a motorcycle shop called Barneys in St Pete. I seem to remember that they handled, Yamaha, Norton, BMW and BSA, also had something to do with Royal Infield I think. I soon started teaching at the flight school, but on the weekends sold motorcycles at Barneys. Two names that some of you old farts might be familiar with are Ray Hemstead and Royal Sherbert, we three became very close running and racing buddies. Rayss wifes dad owned Barneys.

My RD 350 holed both pistons and siezed one night crossing the bridge to Tampa to see some girl of course, my first Mile Hi Club conquest BTW. The next day I bought a beautiful '68 BSA lightning. I remember that some of the mufflers were quiter than others, a baffel placed mid way in the muffler. I went thru every bike they had until I had matching no baffel mufflers. I chose a BSA because every one else chose Triumphs. I loved that BSA, my first long trip was on that bike, road from St Petersburg to the Texas Hill country and back, what an adventure. I remember cruising at 72 MPH, don't know why but that has stuck with me all these years.

I used to road race that bike in Dade City, Fl....won against the Triumphs :pot: and I used to drag race the same bike at Sunshine Dragway in St Pete. Won the stste championship in the "C" Stock bike class with a best time of 13.1 and 101 MPH. Amazing how we used to ride our bikes to the race track, race them and then ride them home.

I don't remember how far it was but Dade City was several hours, perhaps more from Indian Rocks Beach where I lived and a close friend used to always to ride with me to the races on his bike............A BMW R69S, I remember to this day the exact sound that bike made, no matter how fast I would go, he was right there beside me, grinning, no sweat, 100-110 MPH, he did not care, always a precision sewing machine. That started my love afair with BMW, His Beemer had something over 40,000 miles and had never done anything to it repair wise....totaly unheard of in bikes of that era..

Well I left Florida to go to work for Aerostar Aircraft as a systems/flight test engineer and test pilot. I rember driving completely cross country with my red Triumph TR 4A, spoked wheels with white convertable top pulling my BSA and all worldly possesions in a trailer behind to start a new adventure. Road that BSA all thru Southern Calif, Topanga Canyon, the hippies, Venice Beach, Holywood Blvd, what an adventure, the girls...oh my god...the girls...that Red BSA, that red Triumph.....the girls.....Also became Skipper of a 1936 Alden Yawl birthed at Marina Del Ray.....oh my god.....the girls...and adventures......woops off topic.

Aerostar was bought by a company that also bought Mooney Aircraft and moved 98 out of appx 1200 employees to the Mooney plant in Kerrville, Texas, I was one of the lucky 98. Sold the Beezer, moved to the old family place in Hunt, Tex. ended up getting married to a local Kerrville girl and I remember jonesing for a new motorcycle. We drove down to San Antonio to William Walters BMW and there it was, a brand new 1972 R75/5 Toaster tank, beautiful blue Beemer, bought it with out ever hearing it run, much less riding one. That ride back to Kerrville, wow, what torque what a machine, the handling, that did it for me.

My friends R69S started the intrest, I never followed the crowd, they bought Triumphs, I bought a BSA, they bought Hondas, I bought a BMW.

Enough prattling. :028:

Wild Will
01-06-2007, 03:45 PM
You holed both pistons? Hell, those Yammy's were bulletproof UNLESS some idiot wrench got the timing wrong, and pre ignition would rock your world badly. Even if you forgot to fill the Yamalube tank, the thing'd merely melt together at the cylinder walls. I'd love to have my 2 stroke Yamaha twin back in my shop today. It was one of the finest machines ever built. When timed properly with a dial gauge screwed into the spark plug hole...
I used the same dial gauge to measure end play on air cooled Porsches later in life, but not much later. I still have it. I'm sentimental, and mental.

In '67 I was sent to BSA mech. school by the dealership where I worked during the summer, somewhere in NJ. I still have the certificate! The BSA's were the most beautiful bikes this kid'd ever seen, all chrome and red, and the engine so sleekly packaged. But they were all flawed, and leaked, misfired, stopped dead and seized relentlessly. It was very sad for the dealers, I can tell you. Nobody knew what to do, so the Japanese bikes "took over" because they were both fast and reliable, but NOT PRETTY. You can't have it all. Except today, thanks to the Italians, whose machinery was as bad as the BSA stuff way back when. I genuflect to modrn metallurgy.

So, experienced Hoon of the Skys, how does one fly a small air craft with a cramped cockpit (aptly named for your purposes) while scoring with some lucky frail? Autopilot? Quick draw? A blow by blow description will suffice here, Mr. Woody.

Deans BMW
01-06-2007, 04:04 PM
Two things, for some reason, my Beezer never leaked, always started on the first kick and was stone reliable...........until it finely siezed up on a LA freeway.

In a Piper Comanche 260B, the front seats would slide way back.....I remember when it was over, finaly looked out of the cockpit, we were so far out at sea no land was visible, the ocean was very hazy, instruments to get home.

Spider-eyes
01-06-2007, 08:16 PM
Dean - I didn't know you had a history in light aircraft. Being in Texas, did you ever get to meet Gordon Baxter? He and I crossed paths several times but I never got to meet him.

Deans BMW
01-07-2007, 09:45 AM
The name Gordon Baxter seems very familiar, don't remember why however. In Texas, my flying was centered around both the Kerrville and Houston area. We had a small landing strip on our place about a mile up the south fork out of Hunt. Both Darthrider and Wild Will have been there, my heart is still there.

I remember now, Gordon was a writer for Flying Mag, don't think that I ever ment him though.

DarthRider
01-07-2007, 10:18 AM
I was getting ready to guess/suggest Baxter may have been a journalist or TV personality. I can't really recall him but the name rings a bell in that general area...and I never read Flying Mag so he may have done more that that.
Enlighten us Spidey!

A part of my heart also remains in Dean's boyhood home-away-from-home and flying headquarters at the old family place in Hunt, Texas with the beautiful Guadalupe River literally flowing merrily through the back yard.
And with his wonderful Uncle Buster and Aunt Betty who live there...if you look up the word "Texan" in the dictionary, you will see their smiling faces there.:058:

Spider-eyes
01-07-2007, 11:29 AM
Baxter wrote "Bax Seat" for Flying. It was a monthly column of grass strip adventures and stories about the pure joy of flying. It was a break from the formal, business suit world of Flying's main focus. The column ran for 25 years. I never felt really "at home" with Flying Magazine because it seemed focused on the Wall Street types who fly Beech Queen Airs, but I bought the mag just for Baxter's columns. (I guess you could compare Baxter with Peter Egan.)

Baxter's book, "How to Fly," was what convinced me to take flying lessons. He had a down home, chatty, writing style that was easy to read and I finished that book in one day. The next week, I was in a 152 with an Instructor.

I was fortunate enough to meet a lot of "hero pilots" (to me, at least) but always regretted missing Gordon Baxter.

Sir Limpsalot
01-09-2007, 12:41 PM
For filling in the missing pieces. Those old beezers did just look bloody good though didn't they?
As for the "mile high" club, well not being a flyer I couln't possibly compete with that. I do remember a good fondle at 60 mph on a T120 though...
Si.

DarthRider
01-09-2007, 12:55 PM
Geezers on Beezers...ah, yes.
Si, let's here more about the T120 Fondle...too bad you weren't ton-up!

The Mile High Club in a speedy monoplane...I went from 20/20 to mild myopia on that one. (We'll see how many know what that means...and how many admit it!)
Of course, had I known it was actually Lear at the controls, I would have just gone back to the National Geos and Sears Catalog...

Spidey...did Baxter have a "day job" in addition to his writing? That's going to bug me until I remember why I recognize the name!

Spider-eyes
01-09-2007, 04:43 PM
Baxter had a radio show around Beaumont, Tx. I'll bet that's where you heard of him. I don't know what the show's format was but in his books he referred to himself as "the morning mouth folks hear on the radio."

His favorite aircraft were Stearmans, Cubs and "air-knockers." He got his Instrument ticket late in life but always preferred flying "with one wing in the sunshine." He owned a Mooney but sold it when the FAA pulled his license as a result of having "blackout spells."

He wrote, "Flew right over my airport, I did, and didn't even know it. Came to about fifty miles from home and wondered where the hell I'd been and who the hell I might have talked to."

DarthRider
01-09-2007, 05:09 PM
Spidy -
That may be it. I lived in Beaumont in 1965-66 and hung around the area airports a lot with the skydiving club guys.
I don't know if you've ever been to Beaumont, but if they ever give Texas an enema, they'll stick it right square in Beaumont!




Baxter had a radio show around Beaumont, Tx. I'll bet that's where you heard of him. I don't know what the show's format was but in his books he referred to himself as "the morning mouth folks hear on the radio."

His favorite aircraft were Stearmans, Cubs and "air-knockers." He got his Instrument ticket late in life but always preferred flying "with one wing in the sunshine." He owned a Mooney but sold it when the FAA pulled his license as a result of having "blackout spells."

He wrote, "Flew right over my airport, I did, and didn't even know it. Came to about fifty miles from home and wondered where the hell I'd been and who the hell I might have talked to."

Spider-eyes
01-09-2007, 05:41 PM
Must be it. That would be the exact time frame for old Bax. He mentioned skydivers at the airports. Also, gliders, I think.

I always thought the enema tube would be inserted directly into Ft. Dix, NJ. I've flown into Beaumont though and you may be right after all. Both areas are nasty and hairy at times.

DarthRider
01-09-2007, 05:46 PM
I always thought the enema tube would be inserted directly into Ft. Dix, NJ. I've flown into Beaumont though and you may be right after all. Both areas are nasty and hairy at times.

:eusa_clap:

X-Troller
01-09-2007, 10:17 PM
Barney's is still in St. Pete they sell Honda's, Yamaha's, and Aprilia's. They have sold eveything though including BMW's and Ducati's in the past they have a little picture museum on the second floor . I think most sales now are for water craft though jet ski's and like powered boats.

mnnden
02-22-2007, 02:32 PM
Brings back memories, I knew I had a picture somewhere, (such as it is) I am really not sure,(memory is going) "67" or "68" it was a year old when I purchased it, rode it one summer and traded (like a dummy) for a HD, when I came across this picture I found others of days gone by, I wish I would have keep a few!! Den

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-4/991455/bsa2.jpg

Spider-eyes
02-22-2007, 03:06 PM
Memories, memories. That photo reminds me of my first "serious" motorcycle, a 1965 Triumph TT Special. I was a part time gunsmith at the time (1977) and traded three custom rifles (total cash outlay under $200) for it. I rebuilt the oil pumping engine, replaced the suspension and rode that beast for over two years. (No odo but probably around 9,000 miles).

It had no tach, no speedo, no battery/gen/electrics, just an "Energy Transfer" ignition system, and it was a real fire-breather. The Headlight was an after market unit and went from bright to dim depending on engine speed.

I traded the TT for a '74 Sportster with 3,600 miles on it in 1979 and thought I'd died and gone to heaven. A real electrical system, turn signals, instruments and it leaked less than the Triumph!

I can't honestly say I missed the Triumph but a friend had a late '60s BSA that I rode once and I was impressed at how civil the Beezer was compared to my TT. Dean's 650 nudged my memory but your photo completed the circuit. Neat bikes!

DarthRider
02-22-2007, 03:30 PM
Look at young "Fonzy" astride that Beezer...I always thought he rode a Triumph 500 Tiger!
Wasn't that BSA a 650 "Firebird Scrambler"?
Those Beezers were certainly sexy beasts!

BSA = Bastard Stopped Again... That's what us Triumph boys always said!

Deans BMW
02-22-2007, 08:32 PM
Dave, you are right, a Firebird Scrambler.