Curious... Does Anybody Know?

[Dallara]

I'm just curious... and wondered if anybody knew why teh folks over at the www.R1150R.org (http://www.R1150R.org) (and .net) board decided to DELETE the entire thread in the "Off Topic" section where "Bob Jockey" announced the formation of our new board over here?

Now we all know I wasn't "Bob Jockey", and that we never really found out who that was, but it did seem the thread was received in a friendly enough manner... And, of course, it did lead a lot of our new folks to here in the first place.

But why would Doug and his mods delete the entire thread? Especially after Darth, JDToole, Dean, and some others chimed in there talking about "dual citizenship" and supporting both boards, etc.

I've been sneaking in over there as a lurker through a proxy server mainly so I can go back through my old posts and gather up some material I didn't want to lose, primarily so I could move some of the technical stuff over here.

Just WHY would they delete that entire thread?

Cheers!

Allan (Dallara - The Rubber-Banned Man)

p.s. - has anyone noticed that they have also deleted nearly 3,000 posts in all since late December?

[Bones]

Because they could.:thumbs_down:

[DJ Down Under]

Someone may have accidental clicked on the link...saw the three breasted woman that Darth posted...had his 5 yr old sitting on his lap at the time...and had to try and explain...and then complained about it.....:037: ....just a thought.

DJ

[BobFV1]

Someone may have accidental clicked on the link...saw the three breasted woman that Darth posted...had his 5 yr old sitting on his lap at the time...and had to try and explain...and then complained about it.....:037: ....just a thought.

DJ

Excellent point, DJ -

Another possibility - somone over there may have an illigitimate love child with 55-year old former sexpot Barbi Benton, and when their kid looked over their shoulder and saw her picture in the "page three" thread, may have shrieked "Mommy!" and caused domestic strife in that household, causing Doug to delete the thread with the offensive link.

But seriously, Allan - you've got to try and go cold turkey on Doug's site - forget it ever existed and move forward with your life here, in a place so open-minded we won't even threaten to ban Lance when he taunts us! Where we can write a test post and say "fuck" as many times as we want, and we even have a physician as a member who will joke with us about Viagra (um..Bones...you were joking, right?).

A happy place inhabited by peckerheads, carpetbaggers, scallywags, roadsters, miscreants, and friends - and occasionally by three-titted women, gay moles, and DJ's penis statues! What an oddball place, indeed!

[Acacia]

We may never know!

But then it could be paranoia too? Paranoia - "mental derangement, esp. when marked by delusions of grandeur, persecution etc.."

On the other hand, a new rule may have been edicted down from on high about off-topic topics, that are now "off-topic", and that no longer serve the objectives of the devolving site purpose - what ever that might be!

Was there not a discussion some time back over there about redundancy and entropy? :eusa_wall:

[Acacia]

Bob,
Deny Allan of his main source, sport, or of getting his "jolly's" ?

Allan is a passionate man and loves a game!

[fganger]

I recall from the “Bob Jockey Post” a moderator making a number of positive statements about this site. He even received some praise from members for his comments.

This is all interesting, very interesting. And to think, I used to be a "Double Lifer" on that site.:thumbs_down:

Frank

[GPM]

Checking a thread in the Playhouse I happened across the following quote from ever popular Pat:

In short, I've been participating on Triumph sites and hanging with
fellow Triumph riders. But I long for the day that I can have a BMW
in the garage next to my BonnieBlack. Any word of an R1200R in the
near future, or the arrival of an inexpensive F800???

(Anybody been to decent Cafe lately? I poked my head into one where small talk was pompous and the management bitter.)

May be a clue as to the fate of the missing thread....

[Deans BMW]

Intresting, the post is missing and with well over 1000 views as well. I read Pats comments the other day as well, I consider myself to be part of what ever management this forum might have, at least a founder anyhow, don't think that anyone can call me bitter, well perhaps a little bit, its too cold to ride.

[Dallara]

Don't you worry, Bob...

I have gone "cold turkey" on Doug's site. I wasn't there to check in on any endless "What country makes the best synthetic oil for R1150R tires that doesn't cause ABS failures with the kill switch?" threads... Nope, I was over there going back through the site copying off certain old technical posts (along with others) of my own so I could post 'em over here without having to rewrite the damn things.

And in a way, it's all your fault I was over there... :046:

See, I finally decided to e-mail Doug again to ask him for that explanation of my banishment he said he would provide and to take him up on his offer of a total refund of my "lifetime membership", only this time he decided to reply.

He said he didn't owe me another explanation and had sent it to me already in a PM. He also siad that since I had been posting there for two years that I had used $40 of my "lifetime membership" and he would only refund me $20...

I replied explaining the obvious - that since I was banned I couldn't possibly retrieve any PM he had sent me. I don't need the money back, but it was kind of the principle of the thing, so I told him the $20 refund didn't make sense on what was called a "lifetime membership". I did also ask him to allow me some sort of read-only access so I could gather up and copy down any of my old posts... After all, they really are *mine*, not R1150R.net's... and retrieve the PM's I received since my banishment (I had received e-mail notices of other PM's from people).

He refused on all counts, and now even refuses to refund the $20...

No matter. He's showed his true colors, and I have learned a lot about him during these recent exchanges... and the more I learn the more I'm glad I am no longer there. He did me a favor.

Anyway, that's when I started using a proxy server to go in there and start gathering up my own "intellectual property"... :118:

While I've been there I have occasionally looked in on the "Bob Jockey" thread to see the general demeanor of the replies. When I looked late last night the thread was gone. I don't know when it disappeared since I hadn't looked on the thread in a while. That's why I posted the initial message in this thread... To see if anyone here knew why it was zapped since a couple of our folks here were participating in the thread.

On a couple of other notes... First, somebody over there has now been systematically going back in reverse-date order and methodically deleting my posts, but actually picking and choosing which ones to vaporize, and there seem to be no rhyme or reason to what they are zapping and what they are keeping.

Second... Remember when I mentioned over here that one of the R1150R mods was here registered at the Cafe'? Well, now I know it is more than one, and that you all now know who one of them is... :037:

Cheers!

Allan (Dallara - Proud to be Banned Where Mods Think They're Gods and Annoying Frogs Roam Free)

[Deans BMW]

I just posted this in the "playhouse" in the thread that the snide comment re. a Cafe, was posted in.



Lifer


Joined: 17 Mar 2005
Posts: 1482
Location: Show Low,Az.

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:28 am Post subject:

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(Anybody been to decent Cafe lately? I poked my head into one where small talk was pompous and the management bitter.)



Intresting to note that the thread in the "off topics" section with well over 1000 views and nothing but good and positive comments about the new Motorcyclistscafe site and the positive aspects of dual memberships has been removed. I personally belong to at least 6 sites and am a contributor to all, and likewise gain from all. Just suprised about the thread removal as it was in the proper section??????????????

I have been to several great "Cafes"
_________________
Dean-O, aka "Granpa Hoon"
BMW Nut and Happy Camper
Show Low, Az.
Member #33
BMWMOA #2794


Curious as to the response.

[Deano]

I just posted this in the "playhouse" in the thread that the snide comment re. a Cafe, was posted in.



Curious as to the response.

Thanks for posting this. It is the only way I found this site!

Man, things got dull over on the other side of the tracks....

[Tipstall]

Welcome Deano, sit back and relax.

Ken

[Acacia]

Welcome Deano! :eusa_clap:

Not dull here! Too many Scallywags, Hoons, Banned, Roadsters and the like, that are 'bitter' about their mature freedoms and the placement of their priorities in the correct place -- as far as we are concerned anyway!

Enjoy!

[Deans BMW]

A most curious and fastinating thing thing just happened as I turned my computer on after playing out side today, ( some things are tough, you know ATV on the property etc.:eusa_drool: ) Recieved some E Mails from the old site asking if in fact a thread had been deleated RE a new site. I wrote back to assure them that it in fact had been deleated and I typed in motorcyclistcafe is the new site in question, no dot com or www or anything to create a URL. upon previewing the post, something I never do by the way, lo and behold, motorcyclistcafe only appeared as a few dots. I tried it about 5 times all with the same results. Again I was PO'd so I typed in Motor....cyclist....cafe...dot...com and it worked.

It has become quiet clear, at least to me that someone:028: is totally upset at our new and vibrant site. seems extremely petty to me.

I like to post redneck right wing stuff in the playhouse just to get a tortureous and convoluted response, that is prolly comeing to an end as I suspect that I will be baned from my lifetime status.

As it is quiet clear that I never have to preview any of my posts as my spelling is first rate.

[Dallara]

Come on now, Dean.

You've got to be kidding me... Let me see if I have this straight.

If you you are a member in good standing over on the R1150R.net board, and you attempt to type in the word combo motorcyclistcafe, they have it rigged over there where their *net nanny* treats it as profanity of some kind and it only allows the word combo to appear as a series of DOTS?

In other words, Doug and his mods do not even want someone to utter the name of our new board, right?

If that's true... Well, I thought I had seen childish, and I thought I had seen petty, but GEEZ! That's stretching even the limits of those two terms. Again, if that's true, then I truly have to wonder if there is not some serious mental instability running rampant in R1150R,net-Land.

Given that Ken (Tipstall) has been locked-out of the Member's Only sections, and entire threads about this new board are getting deleted, I have to wonder if Doug's next step isn't going to be to ban anyone there that is a member over here.

Wow, truth is often most certainly stranger than fiction...

Cheers!

Allan (Dallara - The Auto-Ban Man)

[DJ Down Under]

It's no big deal but....I've had my 'members section and Pat's playhouse' privileges stopped also.

What'd I do?........http://members.optusnet.com.au/~djp1/mypic1810.gif

DJ

[BobFV1]

Come on now, Dean.

You've got to be kidding me... Let me see if I have this straight.

If you you are a member in good standing over on the R1150R.net board, and you attempt to type in the word combo motorcyclistcafe, they have it rigged over there where their *net nanny* treats it as profanity of some kind and it only allows the word combo to appear as a series of DOTS?

In other words, Doug and his mods do not even want someone to utter the name of our new board, right?

If that's true... Well, I thought I had seen childish, and I thought I had seen petty, but GEEZ! That's stretching even the limits of those two terms. Again, if that's true, then I truly have to wonder if there is not some serious mental instability running rampant in R1150R,net-Land.

Given that Ken (Tipstall) has been locked-out of the Member's Only sections, and entire threads about this new board are getting deleted, I have to wonder if Doug's next step isn't going to be to ban anyone there that is a member over here.

Wow, truth is often most certainly stranger than fiction...

Cheers!

Allan (Dallara - The Auto-Ban Man)

Let's make a secret code that indicates "motorcyclist cafe" but doesn't actually say it. We can use the term "swollen penis". From now on, when we are on the other site, we can just type "swollen penis" and that way we can get our point across and nobody will be the wiser!!!

[DarthRider]

Bob -
You Sir, are a hoot!

Dave

[R4R&R]

I knew these two boards couldn't co-exist happily. That's too bad some people can't let things go (both sides!) This looks like a divorce gone bad; both sides sneaking around behind the others back.


Too bad. Hell, my suggestion is to have one forum - Doug should shut his down and link to this one. That way he wouldn't have to worry about content (only who is looking over his shoulder when he's reading it) or the high costs of all the bandwidth. He could keep the main static pages (www.r1150r.net). Afterall, isn't this forum fucking better with all of the tits and porn?

At this point I'm not sure where my next 'membership duesw' will go. I'll see what happens after the dust settles from the 'divorce'.

[TorqueMonsterMT-01]

He could keep the main static pages (www.r1150r.net).

I think you mean:

He could keep the main static pages.(............).

[Deans BMW]

I am truly baffeled at what is going on over there, the thought of a nasty divorce just blows me away. I am very pleased with the progress of this site however.

[DarthRider]

The "nasty divorce" is exactly what I hoped to avoid.

As with most "nasty divorces", it takes two to Tango...

Dave

[Acacia]

Nasty Divorce?

I was never 'married' to that site - came and went freely with no strings attached. A platonic, 'commercial' relationship - merely a 'wrench/spanner' and convenience with which to interact with friends. Comment on the bad service that we were paying for - certainly. Emotionally involved - NO. When the service deteriorated, some of us decided on a self-service forum.

Now, the friends I have made are that, friends - and great ones many are too! Others may feel differently.

As for the behaviour of some over there - there are jackasses everywhere. That's life! I dont need to play in their sandbox - so I dont!

[supermotoC]

I, too, have been locked out of all forums where you need "special permission" to enter. Whatever. I have a feeling that someone has decided to "lock out" all members (of R1150R.net) that are also members of this board.
OK, High School is over for most of us. And, it seems, the usefulness of R1150R.net.

[R4R&R]

I doubt memebrs with dual-citizenship are being locked out (I'm using the exact same 'name' for both). Maybe 'someone' hasn't gone down the list far enough to find me yet. :icon_eek:

I was talking 'ugly divorce' since I still see a lot of tags on this board knocking the other board - like the subject still can't be dropped. I really don't care about all the crap that happened, and I guess some people were really offended and keep serious grudges. I'll see which board can be most immature. Maybe I don't see anything negative on the other board towrds this one because it's getting deleted?

I know checking two boards (I don't have too much internet fun time) for the same subjects is a pain in the ass.

Man, I need a ride.

[DJ Down Under]

I just got PM'd from a regular over there asking for this site address because it's now gone from off topics.

So I PM'd him back...then checked what I had sent and sure enough it's been changed to the three little dots.

Amazing!.....and a bit rude I think.

DJ

[Deans BMW]

DJ I have been reciving similar e mails and I give the address as Motor....cyclist....cafe.. dot...com.

[Dallara]

John (R4R&R),

Just to set the record straight, I believe I am the ONLY poster/member/individual here on the new board that has ever had any sort of "tags" on his posts that imply anything "negative" about the the R1150R.net board. For the most part they really have been meant in fun, but I will admit that a small part of it has been my carrying a bit of a grudge. The whole thing with my getting "banned" on the other site started with a post about the Honda NR-500 race bike and its history, and I thought that was inane. From there on in it escalated to stupifying levels over what was quite often innocuous stuff. I paid for a "lifetime membership" (and that's exactly what they call it in their "Member Information" section - a "membership") over there and yet I was "banned" for posts which I honestly believe were no worse or more offensive than a large number of other members...

Yep, it left a seriously bad taste in my mouth, but that wasn't all that did. The deletion of other members' posts - like Bones, Darth, and many others - hit me seriously wrong, too. My name was also drug through the mud a fair amount, and often when I had no way to answer the allegations due ot the arbitrary whims of the powers that be over there. Maybe it has to happen to you personally to understand it, but no matter...

Point is, John, is I don't want you to think anyone else here has been tagging their posts with retaliatory rhetoric. I am the only one guilty of that, so I don't want anyone else chastised along with me. Everybody else here is innocent.

As I said, I thought doing the tag lines was funny more than anything else, but if anyone here thinks it reflects poorly on anyone else here, or the entire board in general, then I will bring it to a stop.

On the other hand, you haven't seen anyone here deleting posts that mention the R1150R board, nor using the "net nanny" tools to characterize www.R1150R.net (http://www.R1150R.net) as profanity and have it filtered out of any and all posts and PM's... That's escalating this entire situation from the ridiculous to the sublime. Many, many here wanted to have a symbiotic relationship with Doug's board, and even to provide a link to it from this board. Members here, some of whom had previously declared they would never post there again, went over there and offered up sincere *olive branches* to try to mend the fences...

And what happened?

Those offers of reconcilation (or whatever anybody wants to call it... I used that for lack of a better term) were zapped into electronic oblivion, and apparently for no better reason than spite.

I'll leave it to you to decide which group is handling this "nasty divorce" in a more mature and peaceful coexistance mindset.

Cheers!

Allan (Dallara)

[R4R&R]

Allan,
That's cool. I kept seeing knocks against the other board (maybe it was always from you - I don't keep track of that stuff) and I understand about the lifetime membership refund if they (Doug) kicked you out. I couldn't believe what happened over there and he would push a core group of the contributors out.

About the other site deleteing posts regarding this site, that's uncool. :thumbs_down: Actually I was surprised the post was there as long as it was, but now to hear they replace every reference to this site? :thumbs_down:

Oh well, Good luck with this board; it's off to a good start.

[GPM]

For those that still have access to the Playhouse, here's a link to a post that will no doubt lead to the banishment of Midlife Mark.

http://r1150r.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=5440

Way to go Mark.

:eusa_clap: :eusa_clap:

[MidlifeMark]

Oh well, easy come, easy go.:)

[BobFV1]

Um - I'm one of the "banned" - can one of you gentlemen cut and paste so we can all see and join in the fun?

[MidlifeMark]

Nothing serious, one man's billboard is another man's graffiti. I posted a reply to the "Where's Pat" thread that consisted of just this .jpg image:

http://mlutian.smugmug.com/photos/54260645-L.jpg

which is hosted on my smugmug account. Kind of hard to spell-check an image!

[BobFV1]

Mark -

You da man.

:041:

[Promethean]

Mark,
That's pretty clever....I wouldn't have thought of that. :D

-Abhijeet


Nothing serious, one man's billboard is another man's graffiti.

[Deans BMW]

Clever, very clever.

See what happens upon buying your new to you Cessna........envy.....not me.

[Dallara]

Kudos, Mark...

OUTSTANDING!

Brilliantly clever, and better yet, oh-so-simple!

Please keep us informed as to what the reaction will be.

Thanks!

Allan (Dallara)

[MidlifeMark]

I just checked; it's still up.

Much as I have enjoyed the board over the years, and as much as I hope it will continue, I was really floored when I read that the link to our new board had been censored.

So I guess if my post does result in my banishment, it would tell me everything I need to know about the management over there. For that matter, leaving the post intact would tell me a great deal, also. It will be interesting to observe which way it goes.

[MidlifeMark]

This just in from Doug:

"Midlife- I erased your post. Please do not point people to that site as it contains objectionable material. Hope you understand, thanks."

Well, that's the rationale. I give him credit for the courtesy of a timely and unsolicited explanation. Based on the recent three-titted woman, you have to admit he has a point! :)

[Bones]

I think I understand.

Not only is it their responsibility to make sure their site is censored, but that the entire rest of the internet is, as well.

Wonder if Doug and his moderators are checking every single link to other internet sites and deciding for the masses what constitutes objectionable.

Now that is what I call dedication. Members there should feel very well protected. That is very nice.

[Dallara]

Except it still doesn't explain why he is locking paid up members (some of them "lifetime members") out of areas that are only supposed to be accessible to paid members...

If you think about it, those guys he has locked out (like BobFV1 and some others) now don't get a single thing over there that an unpaid registered user gets. So what's the "membership fee" buy them???

"Objectional material"... Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure that's the reason he doesn't want this board's name up over there... Right...

Back when Dougie was playing "now your banned... now you're not" with me I mentioned a post that had a link to a site that had some porno banners on it and asked why that post had remained intact. His response was "the moderators and I cannot check linked websites for such material. That's ridiculous..."

Guess he's changed his mind... Or his wife changed it for him.

Geez!

I suggest we not have a link on this site to point people toward R1150R.net... Why? It contains objectionable administrators and moderators.

Cheers!

Allan (Dallara)

[MidlifeMark]

I think Doug is concerned about r1150r.net being placed on a site filter, and getting blocked out by people who really DO see it as their mission to censor the Internet. Guilt by association, I suppose. Based on the content in here so far, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find that I couldn't reach the site from work before very long (not that I've tried, mind you; I have no problem waiting until I get home to enjoy this site).

Of course, that doesn't speak to the issue of banning members for starting up a competing web site, if that's what he's doing.

[GPM]

Well, I am having a bit of a problem understanding Doug's sense of right and wrong. Following the untimely deaths of two young men that I personally knew and and had ridden with, Doug let this post by Mike Cam remain.

Someone explain to me why this is tragic.

Forums across the BMW galaxy are full of crap about these two squids who hacked themselves to death.

Frankly, I'm tired of us pretending to care about all this. And for those who claim they are truly caring, I call ----- as well.

If a few naked breasts are more offensive than this, them I for one am quite happy with my decision to join and support this site.

[MidlifeMark]

Mike Cam's thread is a complex issue, complicated by the fact that his gratuitous rant could easily have been read by the widow. Had the thread been a hypothetical discussion rather than about real people, it might have been a little easier to swallow. The fact that it wasn't made all the difference. An abstract discussion is one thing; abusing friends and family of the deceased is quite another. Way more offensive than boobs, in my opinion.

However, the net nanny filter folks don't see it that way, and that is a reflection of their customers, who are mainly corporate entities and the parents of young children. They tend toward simplicity and labels. Just a fact, and nothing we do or say will change that.

Would deleting Mike Cam's post have made things better or worse? I honestly don't know. I've seen people go way over the line on the old board when they thought they were provoked. It could have just generated a lot more of the same, only more intense. Who knows?

Regarding the two sites, we all voted with our feet in a very short period of time; that's why the level of activity over here is so high. There has been a corresponding drop in activity over on the other board. Is Doug upset about it? I doubt it. Would he be upset if his board was filtered out by a net nanny? He'd probably be very upset, since it would be very difficult to reverse that condition.

On the other hand, would anybody here be upset if this board got filtered out by a net nanny? My guess would be that most of us, myself included, couldn't care less. So Doug places a higher priority on staying G-rated than he does on pandering to our baser instincts. His choice, and he has demonstrated his willingness to defend it.

It doesn't bother me that I can't find the same content on Doug's board that I find here, any more than it bothers me that I can't get a lap dance at the IHOP. On the other hand, I know that I can bring my female boss to the IHOP for breakfast and know that nobody is going to be embarrassed.

[DarthRider]

"...Based on the recent three-titted woman, you have to admit he has a point!.."

Like I said...I do what I can.

Dave

[TorqueMonsterMT-01]

Mark's post is now gone from the other place.

[rivi]

hah! saw this on advrider and thought of yawl...

http://www.conary.org/bike/post/gpep3.jpg

[BobFV1]

I'm glad Harry brought up the MikeCam incident again because it was that incident that made me immediately quit the old board and never go back. Not the fact that Mike is a complete ass clown, because we all know there are a lot of those in the world, but the fact that neither the forum moderator, Pat, nor the board administrator addressed the issue, at the same time that they were vociferously dressing down Allan for "offenses" which I still can't figure out - virtually for no reason at all.

If the management over there were to do the right thing and publically renounce ass clown, I mean MikeCam's post, I would happily go back over there and post a nice message, burying the hatchet and making peace - not that I would spend a lot of time over there but it would be nice to at least be on friendly terms. But absent that gesture, in honor of my dead friend and his wonderful young wife, screw those guys!

[Acacia]

"paranoia - mental derangement, esp when marked by delusions or grandeur or persecution etc... " Oxford. There are usually other accompanying mal adjustments too.

A central mark of dictatorships. Nothing that one can do about it in idividuals unless they go for help - they/we have to recognize it 1st.

Sad.

[GPM]

On the other hand, I know that I can bring my female boss to the IHOP for breakfast and know that nobody is going to be embarrassed.

Have you actually eaten breakfast at IHOP? Some of that stuff really does border on embarrasing. Now, chocolate chip pancakes....

:106: :106:

[Dallara]

Well, personally I think Brian is on to something here... But of course, some of yuo will no doubt think I am biased, and I probably am.

But consider this...

I KNOW that at least one of the www.R1150R.net (http://www.R1150R.net) moderators has signed up as a "member" over here, and it is probably more like at least two, for sure.

Now, if this new board is so filled with "offensive material" then why would they even venture here?

But better yet, why haven't these R1150R moderators made themselves known on this board (the one screen name here I know is an R1150R moderator shows zero posts...)? What is their rationale for being silent over here?

Now there's something that points toward paranoia, too...

Cheers!

Allan (Dallara - And yes, I know who you are Mr. R1150R Moderator)

[BobFV1]

Have you actually eaten breakfast at IHOP? Some of that stuff really does border on embarrasing. Now, chocolate chip pancakes....

:106: :106:

There has to be a joke in there about "ihoppping" on to your female boss, but I just haven't figured it out yet.:077:

[Deans BMW]

I recieved a similar note from Doug this morning as well.

Every one keeps thinking it is the three tited women that was pornographic, all are wrong.........................

The porno beyond all reason were the two pics of Hillery..........................................I went blind for over an hour and lost my lunch as well..............................

[1MPH]

There has to be a joke in there about "ihoppping" on to your female boss, but I just haven't figured it out yet.:077:


Where do girls with big boobs work? Hooters

Where do girls with one leg work? IHOP

[Acacia]

I doubt it has anything to do with boobs.

As for their Mods lurking on this site? We have nothing to hide. Most of us said we were leaving and some said why. We wanted a different kind of sandbox and toys, and that is what we went and got. Anything wrong with that? As to why their Mods dont participate, since they have dual membership (unless they dont want to admit it that side of the fence), only they will know?

We have been open about our feelings and views, as I presume most mature relationships should be. Anything wrong with that?

Then, on the other hand, if you have something to hide...you hide, hoping others will not see it. Problem there is that people are not smart enough to get away with hiding things. There is always someone, somewhere, who will call the number. Nothing wrong with that - but we need to smarten up to that fact!

Censorship, historically, is a central feature of totalitarian and fundamentalist regimes. Hiltler, Stalin, Mao, South Africa a few years ago, Xtian reconstructuralists in this country (US) to name a few ... I do have a real problem with censorship ...and that is why I changed sandboxes.

Sheesh, if we can accept rebel rousing, contrary Lance, with open arms, a Mod or two from over there would be openly accpeted here too( but not in their former capacity)!

Come join in the discussion. Enjoy!

[JCsman]

I continue to hold dual citizenship and am able to post on both boards under this same name. I am a "lifetime" member (but life is short!).

Doug just posted that some of the one-year members failed to renew and have been deleted. Apparently this was done w/o contacting those behind in their dues, they were just dropped.

It MAY explain some of those no longer able to enter the Playhouse or Member's sections.

Don't know..... care a little less each day.

[BobFV1]

I continue to hold dual citizenship and am able to post on both boards under this same name. I am a "lifetime" member (but life is short!).

Doug just posted that some of the one-year members failed to renew and have been deleted. Apparently this was done w/o contacting those behind in their dues, they were just dropped.

It MAY explain some of those no longer able to enter the Playhouse or Member's sections.

Don't know..... care a little less each day.

Bill - that actually applies to me, and the truth is, I would not have renewed anyway. I wonder if my renewal would have been accepted, but it is pure speculation at this point as to whether or not it would have been.

[arkline]

" Don't know..... care a little less each day."

Honestly, I couldn't care less, more each day. Life is short.

"Keep your eyes on the road, your hands upon the wheel"...

[fganger]

"Ban me! Ban me! They ought'a take a keyboard and Ban me! Ban me with the delete keeeeeeey... Oh, woman won't ya' weep for me... Do do do, Duh, do do do do..."

Roger Dean Miller would be proud. :eusa_clap:

I'm sure he is looking down and smiling right now.

Frank

[GPM]

In the discussion over there about how to handle the communication to members whose dues had expired, Marko offered the following suggestion:

Maybe post a link on the motorcylist......cafe......dot.....com site as most of them are probably over there!!

Way to go Marko!!! :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap:

[fganger]

Amen brother, amen.:eusa_clap:

Frank

[marko]

I thought i was being witty, but received a terse PM from the administrator so my humour is obviously now starting to offend.
Oh well.
My own fault i suppose for linking back to here and probably deserved the wrap on the knuckles.
I quite like the site and has been a source of enjoyment, but i must say, i don't know what went on and don't care what went on, but it is obviously a sore point so will have to limit posts there from now on....or stick to windscreen and replacement mirror posts...
Maybe that is the point. After four years we are just getting bored..............

[Bones]

Marko, welcome aboard. No boredom, here.

Jeff

[Gord]

Excellent point, DJ -

"...you've got to try and go cold turkey on Doug's site - forget it ever existed and move forward with your life here..."

Bob, truer words were never spoken. The speed with which Allan was permanently banned after being granted a "pardon" by the warden really soured me. Almost look to me like it was deliberately planned so that "that board" could say "well we tried." By doing so they could shift all the blame to Allan and avoid having to do any degree of self-introspection. That might have taken courage to face demons they could not face. What got to me the most was the extent to which "that board" bent over to accomdate people who might join at the expense of the people who had joined. And finally what really stuck in my throat was the homogenized, bland world they were advocating where everyone had to share the same views and thoughts and fit the same mold. A scarey blend of Orwell and Huxley. So right after The Banishment I stopped posting. Soon I lost interest in even looking in. Too stale, boring and stifling it had become. "That board" can keep my lifetime membership (apparently a lifetime is more than 1 but less than 2 years!).

There is a great bunch of people involved in this board both as active posters and as founding fathers. I trust that this group will approach motorcycling and our community in a far more accomodating, diversity valuing way than they do at that other place.

[Gord]

Since I am in catch up mode, I probably should have read the entire thread before my last post! But God (not Gord!) it is fun to be posting again.

A few additional thoughts:


DJ banned? Has the world gone mad?
The Mike Cam incident is truly a watershed in the whole banning debate. What Allan or anyone else have been banned for pales beside this very objectionable post that was left untouched by any moderator or Doug
I welcome Mods from "that board". I can't believe they are here for nefarious purposes (well at least not all of them). I would hope they realize that it is possible for adults to communicate and share (and yes offend each other) without having to resort to some maternalistic, nanny state
Some may say we are flogging a dead horse by continuing on this discussion. We may be labelled bitter by the myopic out there. But it is better that we identify and confront our fears lest we inadvertently become like them
Bitching is carthysis


It's good to hit a motorcycle site and have fun again. Post on my friends!

[Dallara]

But, Gentlemen...

Please, pray tell... Answer me this...

What, exactly, is the "objectionable material" on this board that Doug from the R1150R forum is referring to when he uses that as the reason for deleting any posts and all references to www.motorcyclistcafe.com (http://www.motorcyclistcafe.com) on his site?

After all, on the R1150R board one could post images much like those here as long as they had an NSFW tag in the subject line and were posted to the appropriate section... And there were plenty of sites posted as links in threads that showed porno site banners, images far more pornographic than what has been posted here, and other so-called "offensive" material.

And let's not forget the infamous "Three-Titted Woman" image appeared more than once over on the R1150R board...

How do I know?

Because after Dougie tried to claim some of my posts contained "offensive images that objectified women" (posts showing women in expensive evening gowns working a display, in public, at an international motorcycle show) there was another post that had a link to a page that has really raunchy porno banners on it. So, I ran up a post in the thread saying the post with the link should have an NSFW tag on it, etc. and that the mods should delete the thread, etc., etc., etc. Very shortly thereafter I got a really terse e-mail from Doug saying that he and his mods could not possibly police such links or influence material on other web sites, and that HE WOULDN'T WANT TO PRACTICE THAT KIND OF CENSORSHIP, AND COULD ONLY CONTROL THE IMAGES ON HIS OWN SITE!

That's a far, far cry from what is happening here...

And you need no bigger clue than people other than BobFV1 than have been *locked-out* of the paid member sections... DJ Downunder, Collyers/SupermotoC, and others mentioned in this thread. Perhaps some have not renewed their memberships over there, but some of those *locked out* of certain sections are so-called "lifetime members", so the renewal issue can't apply to them. Besides, from what I gather there are actually quite a few people who haven't renewed that are still being allowed full access... Why?

To be honest, I really don't care... Other than for one issue... And it is the same one that stuck in my craw with Doug and his mods toward the end of my days there - The issue of duplicity and hypocrisy... Literally the very liberally applied *double-standards* depending on exactly who the poster was. Mike Cam could post truly disgusting and uncalled for offensive diatribe about the actual death of fellow motorcycle riders, but I was called on the carpet for a post about a Honda race bike... I was banned for so-called disrespectful attacks on the darling of R1150R.net - Patricia - yet nothing happened to him even when Doug admitted that Pat had posted equally disrespectful diatribes directed at me... Some non-R1150R posts were moved from the "Main' section while others (primarily ones from Doug's inner circle...) were allowed to remain... Totally innocuous posts simply asking Doug and his mods for clarification of posting policies and explanations of why certain threads were moved were not only ignored, but in the end deleted...

Come on, folks... Please... Wake up and smell the coffee!

Doug's deletion of threads containing the name, or a link, to this new board, or his new practice of *net nannying* out the name with filters has absolutely nothing to do with "objectionable material"... And everything to do with his not liking the formation of this new board or the people that formed it.

In a nutshell, he can't censor the whole internet, but he can very specifically pick ONE, SINGLE SITE to *net nanny* filter... After all, have any of you, at any time, ever seen such a thing happen on the R1150R board before? Please... If anyone can tell me even one other site or board that Doug has singled out for such treatment, filtering, etc. I would love to hear it...

But we all know he hasn't... And that should tell you something.

To be quite honest, I feel 100% responsible for how Doug is treating our new board. Doug got a really bug up his nether regions with me, and because I questioned every turn of his banishment of me. More often than not he simply didn't have an answer for some of those questions, and fell back on the "it's my site so you have to abide by my rules..." rhetoric whenever it became uncomfortable for him to answer or he got himself backed into a corner. I probably pressed him too hard, and he simply didn't like it... But in doing that I caused problems for all of us here... I have no doubt that the main reason Doug is doing what he is with regards to the MotorcyclistCafe is because he knows I am involved with it. along with some others like Darth, Gord, Bones, and others asking him some questions he didn't like or want to answer.

Between myself and a few others... Well, we shined a pretty bright light on Doug and his moderators, and what the light revealed wasn't near as pretty or rosy as we wanted to believe. Nor did Doug and his mods liked being illuminated in that light... Consequently, everyone here, or even associated with this site, is going to *pay* for that in a sense.

Doug and his mods cannot be blind to the sudden slowdown over on the R1150R board and how dull even that has become, and like it or not, IMHO, they hold us over here *responsible* for that... You need look no further than Pats' post quoted here as evidence of that.

Bitter? Yeah, I'll admit I'm bitter... But not for the reasons they would like to believe. I'm bitter because I liked that place, and most of all a bunch of the people there, and I thought those people were who made the place great... And how they posted... And their sense of humor... And their incredible contributions... and for some unknown, unfathomable reason Doug and his guys decided that those people, their humor, their posts, their knowledge, and their contributions were no longer as important as the administrator and the moderators. That somehow all the wonderful, prolific posters at the top of the post count were considered somehow as not having anything to do with the site's success... No, in the eyes of those *officials* over there the owner, and his moderators, were somehow, suddenly the only true and singular reason for the community and success of the R1150R board...

I'm bitter because the contributions and effort of some many were suddenly rendered unimportant and not having any value to the site.

Gord is right on each and every point he has made, and you only need to read this thread from start to finish to see this entire fiasco has nothing to do with "objectionable material", and everything to do with petty vindictiveness...

Sorry for the rant...

Thanks!

Allan (Dallara)

[DJ Down Under]

Gord wrote

DJ banned? Has the world gone mad?
Gord...btw...I was not banned...I did get a PM from Doug warning me and I posted a possible final post and many thought I had been banned.

I understand where Doug is coming from...mabe not agree...but understand.

I took his criticism a bit personally...I still post on his site...life too short to worry too much about all this.

I got a PM from Doug the other day...he was very nice and explained that he thought it was great that this site exists and has no hard feelings about it.

The sooner we all move on the better and get over it IMHO...and enjoy the café for what it is...bikes, boobs and good friends.:003:

DJ

[GPM]

Allan,

You really need to take a bit more time to compose your posts. These little snippets just don't seem to convey your true feelings.

:064:

All kidding aside, I completely agree with assesment. The posts by Mike Cam and your treatment by Doug and his moderators are what prompted me to seek out this group of outcasts.

[R4R&R]

Well, I have to hand it to you guys - if they said "well start your own site" - you did! I'm not sure why Doug got so bent out of shape over some of the stuff, but I think he's shooting (shot) himself in the foot and will lose a lot of good contributors. Too bad.

We can't forget the basics - it was his site, but at least he should be able to justify banning someone.

Back to this site, I'm guessing it's not only for the roadsters - I don't see anything pointing directly at that model. Maybe you can market this site towards naked bikes? Kind of like ADVRider is towards 'off-road' bikes.

Oh well, I've got to run some errands.

[arkline]

" The sooner we all move on the better and get over it IMHO...and enjoy the café for what it is...bikes, boobs and good friends.:003:"

Hear, hear. There, there. Let's straighten out our galluses and move on. Really.:024:

[DarthRider]

" The sooner we all move on the better and get over it IMHO...and enjoy the café for what it is...bikes, boobs and good friends.:003:"

Hear, hear. There, there. Let's straighten out our galluses and move on. Really.:024:

I'll see that hear, hear and raise you a hear, hear, hear!

This topic is getting a bit stale...

Dave

[DJ Down Under]

Hey Dave I have a pic for you that I took yesterday while taking some cafe pics for Dean-O.

DJ

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~djp1/mypic1860.JPG

[DarthRider]

Hoochie Mama!

Thanks DJ. Nice looking rear fender "eliminator/tidy", really nice CF Micron oval cans...did you hear it run?
Tell that boy he better rub off the rest of those chicken strips before a squiddie give him a hard time!

Dave

[DJ Down Under]

It was a nice rear end...(the bike)...didn't hear it...:085:

If I was to comment on the size of his little chicken strip he might think I'm talking about the size of his willy...

...and then give me some lip.... http://members.optusnet.com.au/~djp1/mypic1862.jpg ..:003:

DJ

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~djp1/mypic1861.JPG

[BobFV1]

Sweet bike, but I predict the heat of those CF Microns will soon melt those gay little rear blinkers bolted to his eliminator - better go for a tailight integrator!

[fganger]

I believe I understand why I'm a bit bitter about Doug's site. It was the first site I checked in the morning and the last before I turned in. I was a double lifer, with additional contributions when it was needed. In other words I was involved with the site, I “met” a number of people via the Internet and in person through the site. These are people I consider friends.

When I expressed some concern over the way Allan was treated, the deletion of Bones post, and a few other actions, I was told not to let the door hit me on my ass as I left.

It's sort of the feeling one gets after a fight; the kind of fight in which you never get to throw a punch - you are just sucker punched, then jumped on by a couple of big guys who proceed to beat the crap out of you. It is not the losing the fight which makes you feel so bad, it is that you didn't get a chance to even defend yourself.

To those who say, “move on,” or words to that effect, I say you are correct. That is the healthy way to deal with this. We will all have different amounts of “grieving” to go through first. Further, we will each grieve in our own ways.

These days I may scan the old site for about two or three minutes a day. I imagine in a week or so I may check the old site a couple of times a week. Soon, I hope, this will all be a distant memory of a bad dream.

The only good to come of the old site are the Café members reading this post now. I'm glad I'm here, and damn glad you are here as well.

Frank

PS: "Gay little rear blinkers.":embarassed: Bob, Bob, Bob.

[Acacia]

Whatever the talk is about - it is better than sweeping it under the carpet.

We hear each other, get to know tempraments and appreciate our very human diversity - the conversations of a CAFE of motorcyclists. Some are more passionate than others. Stifle that passion, human interest, conversation and you have a bland censored totalitarianism.

During the heyday of conversation, before it was censored out of that other public forum, I alluded to Orwells book, Animal Farm. There is the turning point when the animals have removed the farmer from his house and they now run the farm. The pigs move themselves into the farm house - the supposed domain for the 'decadant' farmer. When the other animals question them, their answer is; "All animals are equal, but some are more equal..."

We are a democratic forum here - with all its weaknesses - but an open one! That is the way I enjoy it.

[geechie]

I think I already nominated Brian for Resident Philosopher, didn't I?

[Gord]

The sooner we all move on the better and get over it IMHO...and enjoy the café for what it is...bikes, boobs and good friends.:003:

Amen, mon ami.

And thanks for straightening out my facts for me.

So out with the old and in with the new...