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Dallara
01-19-2006, 12:16 PM
Word in the rumor mill is that Honda is privately testing their new 800cc MotoGP V-Three, and will be presenting it to the FIM for homologation sometime this season. Though the 800cc engine displacement reduction will not go into effect until 2007, Honda is already preparing so they will be fully ready.

Lot's of neat rumors surround this new engine, though oval-pistons isn't one of them (as they have been outlawed). Supposedly, Honda has designed inline threes as well as the V-3. Some of the rumors say it has pneumatic valves (ala Formula One) while others suggest it may actually have desmodromic valves (ala Ducati). There is even talk that there is no conventional poppet valve layout, with sleeve and rotary valve configurations mentioned, though this is highly unlikely.

It is said it is substantially lighter and more compact than the current V-5 RCV-211, and that the cylinder configuration will reverse from the V-5 - i.e. on the RCV-211 V-5 there are three cylinders forward with two cylinders rearward, while the new V-3 reportedly has only one cylinder forward and two to the rear, much like the original NS-500 V-3 two-stroke. It is also said it revs considerably higher than the V-5.

Another rumor associated with the bike is that it may revive Honda's previous fascination with "surface cooling", or in essence a far different radiator arrangement to lessen aerodynamic drag. Personally I doubt this one, too, as the heat generated by today's MotoGP bikes is pretty fierce, and they need the relatively huge radiators they have, and even then they are on the borderline.

A entirely new engine management system has been developed for the new engine, and essentially all "fly-by-wire", with the rider having no direct connection not only to the throttle, but also no direct connect with the clutch. This system may be seen this season on the RCV-211 in selected races. Since the bikes already have a form of traction control, this would be the next logical step, and will also open the door to "launch control" whether the ruling body likes it or not.

Honda's suspension arm, Showa, is said to have developed some interesting new ideas, and that some of those will be seen this season in 2006. Rumors about this suggest a "linked" system between the front forks and rear shock to combat front end dive and rear end squat. Apparently this has been in testing for a number of years now, and is only now ready for prime-time.

Honda also has some new braking technology up their sleeve, and will be using it sometime this season. Apparently heat related "pump up" has surfaced in MotoGP, lessening brake feel and increasing lever effort, and the new system is said to eliminate this. There is also talk of the rear brake being somehow interfaced with the anti-lock-up clutch, and it will allow the riders to even be more aggressive on corner entry with the rear brake for "setting up" the bike into the corner - i.e. "backing 'em in"...

Look for another exhaust system change on this year's RCV-211 V-5's (Honda had no less than three entirely different exhaust systems last year), as well as an airbox and inlet change to lessen intake volume variance from ram effect.

There's some Honda info to come, but this is all pretty interesting so far.

But then again, it is still "silly season" and who knows what we will actually see this year, or next...

Cheers!

Allan (Dallara - "Banned, Banned, Banned Like a Red-Headed Stepchild")

DJ Down Under
01-19-2006, 02:16 PM
I heard that it's Honda that pushed for the rule change to drop engine size to 800cc so they can stay ahead of the rest with their huge budget.

As fancy shmancy that Honda is it's Ducati that has the fastest bike right now...IMHO...it's Ducati that set the top speed for a Moto Gp bike at 347.4 kph....it's Ducati that are the first to make an engine that puts out more than 250 horsepower....it's only Ducati that broke the 1 minute 30 second barrier for a lap at Phillip Island (Checca)

And guess what...Ducati can go much faster...:omg:

Ducati have a switch on the left handle bar that can change the Map for the engine...it has three options or possitions....one position that has less power that they switch to later in the race once the tires have gone off....one position that has normal power....and one position that they never use...it puts out much more power but can't use it because it uses way too much fuel...(bugger!)

Ducati now have new carbon fiber outer tubes on the front forks...a new carbon fiber swingarm....they've spent over 1100 hours in the wind tunnel getting a better aero package.

The new Ducati revs to more than 16,500 rpm...will do 0-100kph in 2.5 seconds and reach 200kph in 6 seconds.

So....Sete Gravelnow might be in with a shot at winning some races this year.

btw...a close mate of mine got to ride on the back of the two seater Ducati Moto Gp bike behind Randy.......and you'll never guess what happened..:D

I'll post about that soon.

DJ

supermotoC
01-19-2006, 03:11 PM
btw...a close mate of mine got to ride on the back of the two seater Ducati Moto Gp bike behind Randy.......and you'll never guess what happened..

I'll bet it "DEPENDS'....

DJ Down Under
01-19-2006, 05:28 PM
I'll bet it "DEPENDS'....

I'm not sure what you mean???...DEPENDS???...:confused:

DJ

Deans BMW
01-19-2006, 06:22 PM
Depends............... adult diapers, no wise cracks, don't need them.............................yet.

DJ Down Under
01-19-2006, 06:33 PM
Depends............... adult diapers, no wise cracks, don't need them.............................yet.

No joke...true story.....it's 10am now...the hot north wind is honking in at 30-40 knots..I'm about to go windsurfing.:D ........so later on I'll post what happened to my friend.

Life is tough down under...must remember to slip/slop/slap.....:)

DJ

Dallara
01-19-2006, 06:34 PM
Dean said:



"Depends............... adult diapers, no wise cracks, don't need them.............................yet."



Well, maybe you don't, Dean-O... But your R1200ST sure did when we were out ridin' in Big Bend. :eek:

Cheers!

Allan (Dallara - Pioneer of a New Information Highway - The Auto-Ban)

arkline
01-19-2006, 10:05 PM
Those lucky few who get to sit pillion while Randy does a lap or so seem to fall into two categories. Those who get so stoked they try to get back on the bike for another go. And those who get off, get down on their knees and thank than gods of two wheeled wonder that they survived the whole minute and change it takes to go 'round. My daughter wants to go soooo bad!

TorqueMonsterMT-01
01-19-2006, 11:20 PM
So....Sete Gravelnow might be in with a shot at winning some races this year.

Or the crashes could just get worse. Let's hope not. I think he is a great rider, but needs to learn how to cool his head.
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Allan;
Tell us more as you learn it. How does the launch control work? Is that a physical measurement of suspension extension like the weight-on-wheels system in some modern aircraft or is it traction based?

Thanks for the cool information.

DJ Down Under
01-20-2006, 08:21 AM
Ok...I'm back from my big day on the water.....now about my mate Craig..and the two seater Ducati.

First a few pics of Randy Mamola and the two seater duke at Phillip Island...the day before Craigs big ride.

Here's Randy explaining what's about to happen...how to hang on (note the handles on the tank)

http://bikes.grandprix.com.au/var/agpc_bikes/storage/images/photos_downloads/photos/2005_gallery/day_2/around_the_circuit/laura_prepares_for_her_ducati_2_seater_ride/19795-1-eng-AU/laura_prepares_for_her_ducati_2_seater_ride.jpg

Mmmm nice don't you think...and the bikes not bad either

http://bikes.grandprix.com.au/var/agpc_bikes/storage/images/photos_downloads/photos/2005_gallery/day_2/around_the_circuit/red_ducati_babe/19810-1-eng-AU/red_ducati_babe.jpg

Randy on the bike in pit lane.

http://bikes.grandprix.com.au/var/agpc_bikes/storage/images/photos_downloads/photos/2005_gallery/day_2/around_the_circuit/randy_du_puniet/19813-1-eng-AU/randy_du_puniet.jpg

Here we are on the main straight about to head off on a lap.

http://bikes.grandprix.com.au/var/agpc_bikes/storage/images/photos_downloads/photos/2005_gallery/day_2/around_the_circuit/ready_set/19819-1-eng-AU/ready_set.jpg

This is how Randy usually finishes of the lap...so if you haven't soiled leathers from the lap..you will at the end.

http://bikes.grandprix.com.au/var/agpc_bikes/storage/images/photos_downloads/photos/2005_gallery/day_2/around_the_circuit/wooooah_baby/19825-1-eng-AU/wooooah_baby.jpg

Ok....now back to my mate.....Craig is an old windsurfing friend..I've known him about 20 yrs...he is also a motorcycle freak and a very good rider...he pretty much owns Oakley Sunglasses down under...and just sold out his portion of Mambo surf wear...so he's not short of a quid.

He knows all the riders...hand out the sunnies...rubs shoulders with the rich and famous...last year he bought a new Ducati 999R and his good friend Eric Banner (the Hulk..and Troy..movie star) bought one also.

Craig has about 20 or more bikes...I'll take some pics at his house one day.

So....scamming a ride on the two seater is no real surprize...here's what happened.

He got his custom fitted Ducati leathers,gloves and Helmet (which he can keep after the ride)...Craig has done heaps and heaps of track days at the Island...he knows the track rules very well...so on race day..just before the main race..with Craig on the back..Randy pulls out of the Ducati pits with Craig on the back and the speed limiter on..putt,putt,putting along pit lane...Craig knows he must keep the rev limiter on until the line near the end of pit lane.

So he's enjoying the moment...sitting up..hands on hips looking up at the huge crown cheering him on....when all of a sudden Randy flicks the limiter off and guns it...still only just out of the pits and nowhere near the end of pit lane.

Craig's feet went up..up..and away...they say he was 10 feet in the air..and upside down...he came down on his head...smashing the new helmet and braking his wrist (ouch!)...and Randy was off and into turn one at full tilt...it wasn't until he came to Honda hairpin on turn four he thought...hey..where's Craig.

Sooo....imagine poor Craig...limpng back up pit lane...the crowd going off...they loved it.....and Craig missed out on a chance of a lifetime.

They played it on the news that night...and on the big night sports TV show called 'Sports Toninght'..at the end they have a 'play of the day' to finish the show with...and guess who was the play of the day....everyone thought it was so funny...except Craig.

He is going to get another go at a European circuit later this year...lucky bastard...:)...this time he'll be hangin' on for sure.

DJ

One last pic...nice don't you think?

http://bikes.grandprix.com.au/var/agpc_bikes/storage/images/photos_downloads/photos/2005_gallery/day_2/around_the_circuit/denso_girls/19768-1-eng-AU/denso_girls.jpg