MotoGP for thee in Turkey

[arkline]

Dudes, dudettes, and dudelettes,

Turkish MotoGP on SpeedTV. One o'clock in the afternoon on SpeedTV on the Pacific coast, an hour later for Mountain, two hours later for Central and 4:00 on the East Coast time. Who will be the next in line?

Current top five points holders:

Capirossi - 41
Hayden - 36
Pedrosa - 30
Rossi - 27
Elias - 21

Who'll win this one????? Nicky's on a tear. Capirossi is doing fine. Is Valentino beginning to swing the hammer? Still looks like a great season...

[DJ Down Under]

I bet the riders can't wait to get on the track after having to watch these gay devo fans dance on a boat..and they call it soaking up the Turkish atmosphere....

someone get me a bucket...:003:....(sorry to any Turks out there)

DJ

http://images.motogp.com/multimedia2/435/435934_3276.jpg

[DJ Down Under]

Stoner quickest on the first day...you little ripper!!!

DJ

Stoner 1m54.27
Melandri 1m54.54
Rossi 1m54.67
Hayden 1m55.12
Capirossi 1m55.39
Edwards 1m55.44
Elias 1m55.45
Pedrosa 1m55.51
Gibernau 1m55.65
Hopkins 1m55.71
Tamada 1m55.75
Nakano 1m55.80
Vermeulen 1m56.13
De Puniet 1m56.95
Checa 1m57.32
Roberts Jr 1m57.48
Cardoso 1m58.39
Ellison 1m58.79
Hofmann 1m58.80

http://images.motogp.com/multimedia2/432/432330_66966.jpg

[Markus]

I know this is just practice, but it's nice to see the kids doin' good this year in general.
(...and less Rossi/Mladin/Doohan/Foggy sucking the exitement out of a series)

Practice Two:

1 Nicky Hayden Repsol Honda Team Honda RC211V 1:53.623
2 Casey Stoner Honda LCR Honda RC211V 1:53.861
3 Marco Melandri Fortuna Honda Honda RC211V 1:53.971
4 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC211V 1:54.001
5 Toni Elias Fortuna Honda Honda RC211V 1:54.022
6 Colin Edwards Camel Yamaha Team Yamaha YZR-M1 1:54.042
7 Loris Capirossi Ducati Marlboro Team Ducati Desmosedici GP-6 1:54.055
8 John Hopkins Rizla Suzuki MotoGP Suzuki GSV-R 1:54.227
9 Sete Gibernau Ducati Marlboro Team Ducati Desmosedici GP-6 1:54.279
10 Makoto Tamada Konica Minolta Honda Honda RC211V 1:54.422

[Tipstall]

Why is he flipping me off?

Is that normal for those guys to brake and clutch with just the middle finger?

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[Acacia]

Does everyone get the same English commentators to the Motogp's?

There is one that drives me round the bend!! Spoils the whole event. Every thing is 'absolutely', and ''very, very' this and that and has to comment about what every rider is always thinking, knows all their strategies all the time and every second is commenting on Casy Stoner. The guy over commentates all the time. I wish he would sut up and lets us see the show and hear the bikes!!!

How can one get a message to him?

[arkline]

Acacia,

Yup, I think that those Brits have a lock on the English language commentary, except for the Laguna Seca race where the SpeedTV people take it over...

Speaking of SpeedTV, I'd love to get up close and personal with the dude or dudes that decide when to stick the commercials in....

[DJ Down Under]

What a surprise...an Aussie on pole again....:eusa_dance: ....and it's not Stoner....:118: ...:eek:...:yahoo:

Good-on-ya Chris Vermeulen...and on the Suzuki...wow!...will it last the whole race...I think not...:017:....:eusa_pray:

Nicky 2nd...Sete 3rd...Loris 4th...Hopkins 5th........Stoner 7th....Edwards 9th Roberts 10th and Rossi 11th..:104:

DJ

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/motogp/2006/tur/motogp-2006-tur-tm-0108.jpg

[DJ Down Under]

Chris's qualifying time...2:06.....Stoners time yesterday...1:53....:eusa_think:

Yes.....It was wet...:lightning:....now I understand..:045:

DJ

[DJ Down Under]

Another Aussie on pole in the 250's....how good is Westy in the wet...:eusa_clap:

Ooops..sorry Westy isn't on pole..even though he went way fastest in final qualifying...it must be a different system for the 250's.

DJ

[arkline]

Where can I get a weather report for Turkey tomorrow? Rossi is that far back? Wow! I can't wait until tomorrow. The cards keep getting shuffled. I like this situational instability. Makes for some good racing.

[DJ Down Under]

WOT...A...RACE !!!....I mean..what a race....and how good was 'you know who'...:eusa_clap:

The best Moto Gp race I've seen for a while....and how was the 250's on the first corner...sheesh!

DJ

[supermotoC]

2 more hours DJ and all of the US will have seen it too, so.........
thanks for making the wait even tougher!!!!!!!!!!

[arkline]

Good, freeking god! What a race! It doesnae get any better'n that. Ever. Anywhere. But Turkey?

I managed to steal an hour from my duties to watch and I swear that race lasted about fifteen minutes of thrills and action. Them "new" kids can ride, eh wot?

The Aussies were superb. Hayden is maturing quite nicely. I thought that Hopkins was going to pull a rabbit out of his hat for once. And Rossi lucked/worked his way into some points. Jeez, there was a constantly changing crew of five throughout the race heading up the desire to stand on the top step, let alone the other two.

This is the first race in a while where someone didn't get out in front and get completely away by fractions. Honda should be very happy, Pedrosa notwithstanding. Oh, those new kids can freekin ride alright. Pedrosa picked himself up after washing out the front and trotted towards his bike with his arms out in front in supplication. Too bad for him. But not for long, I'll bet. He's got the stones to be a serious, long term winner. And Gibernau, mein gott, lead the race for the longest time! Gibernau!

Hayden tops the points, with one more than Capirossi. Stoner has one more point than the Doctor. And Melandri sits between the two on the top and the next two. This is an amazing year. I'm soooooo glad I have cable. Soooooo glad.

[supermotoC]

Pedrosa used up his tires about 3 laps too soon.

Stoner didn't have the "stones" to out-squeeze Melandri, but he's got just about everything else needed to win.

The Gibernau Curse holds - he hasn't won a GP race since 2004!

Rossi matched lap times today, but with a chattering front end you could see in my living room, he couldn't have caught the leaders in 40 laps.

Too bad Chris V's tires went away - seems like the medium-medium set up was the way to end the race in a high spot.

I'll take the tosser's commentary over the idiots that called the 2005 Laguna Seca race every day of the week, and TWICE on Sunday.

The US didn't get to see the 250 race - what'd we miss?

[DJ Down Under]

Here's a view that we don't often see.

http://www.mcnews.com.au/motorcycleracing2006/motogp/rnd3/gallery_a/images/GPstart_06GP03_1935_AN.jpg

Out of the way Sete...let the young guns through..don't worry..it's not Rossi right up you arse this time....that will come latter in the race.

http://www.mcnews.com.au/motorcycleracing2006/motogp/rnd3/gallery_a/images/Gibernau_06GP03_2016_AN.jpg

Check out the lean angle..soon they'll be needing elbow sliders...:003:

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/motogp/2006/tur/motogp-2006-tur-tm-0292.jpg

What happened in the 250's?...in the first corner...Lorenzo (the championship leader) got T boned from behind and it was like domino's..I think about ten went down.

Aoyama gave KTM their first win...yes KTM...after a non stop fairing banging elbow knocking cat fight right to the last lap..Babara and De Angelis almost took each other out.....it's a shame you guys don't get the 250's.

Re the Moto Gp..we knew Marco was going to do a Kamikaze on the last few corners...Stoner did the right thing (it's better to avoid a crash)...but give him a few more races and he'll be giving it right back to him for sure.

Will Stonner be the next Doohan?

DJ

http://www.mcnews.com.au/motorcycleracing2006/motogp/rnd3/gallery_a/images/Stoner_06GP03_2220_AN.jpg

[supermotoC]

Thanks, DJ. We usually get the 250 race after the MotoGP, but not on days that coincide w/Formula Extreme or AMA RR events. Too bad, it's nice to see who'll be annoying Gibernau next year. Speed Channel, terrible sound quality, poor programming, but they actaully carry F1 & MotoGP, so we're stuck with them...

Stoner looks about 14 years old - he is indeed the successor to Mick. Better second than crashed! He's got lots of time to win races.

KTM's 250 is not so bad - I wish they had an 850 to shove into a MotoGP chassis for next year......

[DJ Down Under]

The commentator said it was the best 250 race he'd ever seen...

We get it twice..once on Fox (cable) and also on free to air (channel Ten)..I just watched it all a second time.

I think it was De Angelis in the 250's on the last last that collided with another rider and careered off onto the grass (damp grass) coming down the straight at about 270 kph (170mph) and held on to it...wow!..wot a wild ride.

There was lots of camera angles including one from the bike following...how he held onto it was amazing.

It's a shame they kicked Westy off the KTM team...I thought he did a good job.

Casey Stoner should do well...I'm sure we'll see some ding-dong battles with him and Pedrosa in the near future.

DJ

[Dallara]

Wow!

Take another close look at this picture here that DJ posted...


http://www.motorsport.com/photos/motogp/2006/tur/motogp-2006-tur-tm-0292.jpg



This point in the corner is obviously that critical transition point near the apex where the riders are going from brakes to throttle, and are at max lean and tire loading... How can you tell? Well, all their elbows are down, not up in the "attack" corner entry position, indicating they have all already rooled on the throttle. The bikes are healed at about their maximum, and though each rider has at least one finger on the front brake none seem to have any front brake applied. Their arms are also relatively relaxed, not tensed and pressing on the bars to resist braking forces.

To me this all says they are all already on *exit* just past where their respecitve apexes were...

Now, first look at Casey Stoner. He is clearly in *oversteer*, sliding the back wheel and clearly correcting with slight opposite lock with the front, all as he drifts across the back of Malandri's rear wheel. Nicky appears to be drifting both wheels equally and on a clean exit... Now look closely at Melandri... He's actually *pushing* the front wheel (understeering) slightly, as the bike being *picked up* a bit, his body leaned a little more forward and his inside shoulder a bit more dipped, and his apparent line pointing wide of both Hayden's and Stoner's!

Cracking stuff! To see three obviously different cornering situations for three different riders in the same corner and in the same photograph.

Damn! What a race!

Cheers!

Allan (Dallara - NACD)


WARNING! Please note that none of the bikes pictured in the various photographs in this thread have ABS, and so are obviously way too dangerous for mere humans to operate, particularly at the speeds they are travelling. These riders obviously don't know that they are incapable of controlling their braking as well as a computer chip and should have pulled off the course immediately and asked for a NHTSA investigation and report, even if that report were done with automobiles or donkey carts (since both have wheels and operate on pavement their dynamic handling traits and braking behavior should be "identical"). No doubt, in 2007, BMW will enter MotoGP - with servo-assisted ABS, of course - and show Honda, Yamaha, Ducati, Kawasaki, and Suzuki how it's done - and prove ABS is clearly the greatest thing since sliced bread, and if you don't believe that may God have mercy on your soul.

[supermotoC]

A lot of why these three have seriously differing attitudes at this moment is because all three had widely varying approaches to this turn. Watching the race, you could see Nicky brake very late, come in close, back it in a little, and try to stay close on exit - although a few times he's blow it and drift way wide to recover from coming in too early/too hot. Stoner was very consistently coming in wide and exiting tight to set up for the next. Melandri was probably the most consistently smooth entry/exit rider of the day (on leader's pace). Awesome racing, I hope Speed Channel decides to air the 250 race this week (at 2 or 3 AM, I'm sure).


...and prove ABS is clearly the greatest thing since sliced bread, and if you don't believe that may God have merch on your soul.

What's merch? And can it be wiped off?

[Dallara]

Collyer said:




"What's merch? And can it be wiped off?"



:eusa_clap: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :eusa_clap:


Nope, Collyer... Unfortunately "merch" can't be wiped off. It is a permanent condition that once God and the devout fanatics of all things ABS stain you with that you are branded with for life.

Fortunately, however... Merch is a good thing. It signifies you down not follow someone else's blind obidience to an as yet unproven technological *marvel*, and that you still are willing to take responsibility for your actions, as well as control over your own existence and decision-making capabilities... and not give yourself over completely to governmental double-speak and marketing department ad hype. Merch is continuing to learn to do things better all by yourself, and not depend on a microchip to do things for you.

Merch is a good thing... An noble thing... A badge of honor. Something to be proud of, particularly if you are a motorcycle rider.

Valentino Rossi has a ton of it. Nicky Hayden has buckets of it. Casey Stoner and Marco Melandri have a bunch of it, too. I am proud to have a little of it myself, and am trying every day to get some more. I know you have it.

Unfortunately, there are those who don't have any of it, and never will. More importantly, they don't want it, and see those that have it or desire as lesser than themselves. They see those that want to control and take responsibility for their own lives silenced and set aside in the name of governmental heresay and manufacturer hooplah...

Merch, like common sense, is rapidly disappearing, so I cry out "Save the Merch! If we're not careful it will be gone forever!"

Cheers!

Allan (Dallara - NACD)


WARNING! Merch is not equipped with ABS, and never will be, Thank God!

(oh, and I did go back and correct my keyboard error... :icon_razz: )

[DJ Down Under]

Wow!

Take another close look at this picture here that DJ posted...
Allan...and I thought it was only me that sees all those thing when looking at a pic..I agree with you..also that corner looks like it's slightly off camber.

T'was a great race..and a great track..a real riders track.

DJ

[supermotoC]

They see those that want to control and take responsibility for their own lives silenced and set aside in the name of governmental heresay and manufacturer hooplah...


he said "hooplah".